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Title: Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
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Ghost Boy - May 21, 2004 07:21 AM (GMT)
Word now has it that Episode III will be known as Birth of the Empire. This isn't concrete, as Lucasfilm haven't commented on it, but it's probably quite likely the title as it's already being reported by several sites.

What do you guys think? Good? Bad? Not different enough? Speak now!

darklord - May 21, 2004 07:28 AM (GMT)
Birth of the Empire? :s
thats sounds pretty lame IMHO, out of all the titles i have heard its got to be one of the worst.
lets hope they're wrong

craptest - May 21, 2004 08:22 AM (GMT)
Hearing that title I instantly thought of Griffith's The Birth of a Nation (1915) A controversial, explicitly racist, but landmark American film.

If the final star wars breaks new cinematic ground and features no redeemable black characters - then we'll know the title similarities werent an accident.

TrinityJayOne - May 21, 2004 08:43 AM (GMT)
Sounds alright to me. :)

Cerebral - May 21, 2004 08:58 AM (GMT)
Eh. Sounds okay.

Attack of the Clones was the worst though. Birth of an Empire and AOTC both sound kinda sterile, and straight forward. I mean, duh. :P

Film Guru - May 21, 2004 09:16 AM (GMT)
I was after something similar to Rise Of The Empire, so I'm happy. :)

I thought Phantom Menace sucked, but Attack Of The Clones was good. Not great, not by a long shot, but good escapism for around 2 hours. I believe BotE will be at least a little better than AotC. Even Lucas said himself that the first two were made just so he could do Episode III. This is what he's been waiting for. Here's hoping he dilivers...

Ratchild - May 21, 2004 10:16 AM (GMT)
Seems like a good enough title to me, simple, straight to the point, wouldn't want to confuse people.

The ghost who walks - May 21, 2004 10:26 AM (GMT)
the title is meh imo, although the only thing that really matters in the movie is how many lightsaber battles there'll be :D, personally i thought that ep1 was the worst by far though, whilst #2 was pretty good, fun viewing :D, let's hope this one is more like the original trilogy :P.

quartz_donkey - May 21, 2004 10:54 AM (GMT)
It sounds fine to be straight to the point I like it. Hey at least it's still ony three words like the rest(well its short like the rest I know two had four but they were small words).

fishonthecarpet - May 21, 2004 11:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (craptest @ May 21 2004, 04:22 PM)
Hearing that title I instantly thought of Griffith's The Birth of a Nation (1915) A controversial, explicitly racist, but landmark American film.

If the final star wars breaks new cinematic ground and features no redeemable black characters - then we'll know the title similarities werent an accident.

Odd, we've just been talking about that in History.
That's a film that played a big role in the inspiration of reforming the KKK... I believe.

I wouldn't count on it breaking cinematic ground... but I'm hoping it will atleast tell a good story, hopefully better than the first two.
I didn't mind The Phantom Menace, it was a decent movie (just no match for 4, 5, 6) but I wasn't much of a fan of Attack of the Clones. Me and my friend laughed the whole way through it :unsure:
But Natalie Portman looked pretty fine :thumbsup:

Beast - May 21, 2004 11:25 AM (GMT)
I don't really mind the name.

However an exclusive rumour is that it's going to have a footbag scene or scenes! LucusFilms bought a large amount of footbag footage from the World Footbag Association last year (or at least I found out about it last year) and have also apparantly approached a number of players - although everybody is very tight lipped about why they (lucasfilms) are interested. The only statement was that its for an upcoming big budget film.

Also another rumour is that Bruce Spence (my favourite actor - was in The Cars That Ate Paris and played the Trainman in the Matrix sequals and game) will be playing some weird alien.

If both those rumours are true - I'm sure I'll enjoy the movie - although I doubt it will compare to the originals.

craptest - May 21, 2004 11:47 AM (GMT)
Worst rumour Ive heard is theyre going to add 'senate' scenes to Episode IV. Oh please no!! :nooo:

DJ-Civic - May 21, 2004 11:56 AM (GMT)
Sounds good to me. At least it's similar to the classic Empire Strikes Back name. :thumbsup:

Übermensch - May 21, 2004 03:15 PM (GMT)
References to Birth of a Nation are kind of pulling at something that isn't there. Birth of THE Empire is what it's called, not Birth of AN Empire. The difference seems slight, but each give their own distinct meaning.

I'm happy with the title. Although Star Wars titles are hardly great, one thing that shines through for me is how they perfectly summarise the film and how each film relates to each other chronologically (bar "Attack of the Clones", which is just stupid).

craptest - May 21, 2004 03:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Übermensch @ May 22 2004, 01:15 AM)
References to Birth of a Nation are kind of pulling at something that isn't there.

Hey its the first thing that popped into my head. Never said it was relevant. Its clearly not. Hence my dumbass comment.

I just KNOW Lucas will arse this one up. He's proven he's lost whatever directing skill he once had. So its not a question of 'will it be good', but 'how crap will it be'.

I think the title will prove the least disappointing aspect of the production.

Cerebral - May 21, 2004 11:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Film Guru @ May 21 2004, 07:16 PM)
Even Lucas said himself that the first two were made just so he could do Episode III.

So make 2 half-baked movies? That's not a very good mentality...

Film Guru - May 22, 2004 12:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (craptest @ May 21 2004, 09:47 PM)
Worst rumour Ive heard is theyre going to add 'senate' scenes to Episode IV. Oh please no!! :nooo:

Oh please tell me you're kidding! :argh:

And Cerebral, he said it, so talk to him. Though I'm sure it didn't mean he didn't try t make the first two good. Heck, Peter Jackson said he did Fellowship and Two Towers just so he could make the third movie. I wouldn't take the comment too seriously, what it means is the third film has everything going for it. We know all the characters, we know what's gonna happen, now it's all pay off.





EDIT: Wait a minute, craptest, how can they add senate scenes into Episode IV if there is no senate anymore? :huh:

jawbreaker982 - May 22, 2004 12:27 AM (GMT)
Birth of the Empire is a pretty silly name, but it still has nothing on Attack of the Clones.
Worst. Name. Ever.

What's the tentative release date for this installment?

James Thrawn - May 22, 2004 02:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (fishonthecarpet @ May 21 2004, 09:18 PM)
I wouldn't count on it breaking cinematic ground... but I'm hoping it will atleast tell a good story, hopefully better than the first two.
I didn't mind The Phantom Menace, it was a decent movie (just no match for 4, 5, 6) but I wasn't much of a fan of Attack of the Clones. Me and my friend laughed the whole way through it :unsure:
But Natalie Portman looked pretty fine :thumbsup:

One thing that people don't realise is is that YOU CAN'T BEAT CLASSICS! The OT are classics and you can't top them. You have to view both the OT and the PT was 2 different parts of a whole.

craptest - May 22, 2004 07:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Film Guru @ May 22 2004, 10:07 AM)
QUOTE (craptest @ May 21 2004, 09:47 PM)
Worst rumour Ive heard is theyre going to add 'senate' scenes to Episode IV. Oh please no!! :nooo:

Oh please tell me you're kidding! :argh:

EDIT: Wait a minute, craptest, how can they add senate scenes into Episode IV if there is no senate anymore? :huh:

Not sure. But i wouldnt be surprised if he adds something shit to the DVD releases. The fool can't help himself. Originally Han shot first, now he shoots 2nd. By the time we get Episide IV on DVD he probably wont shoot at all.

MrRae - May 22, 2004 08:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Film Guru @ May 22 2004, 10:07 AM)
QUOTE (craptest @ May 21 2004, 09:47 PM)
Worst rumour Ive heard is theyre going to add 'senate' scenes to Episode IV. Oh please no!! :nooo:

Oh please tell me you're kidding! :argh:

And Cerebral, he said it, so talk to him. Though I'm sure it didn't mean he didn't try t make the first two good. Heck, Peter Jackson said he did Fellowship and Two Towers just so he could make the third movie. I wouldn't take the comment too seriously, what it means is the third film has everything going for it. We know all the characters, we know what's gonna happen, now it's all pay off.





EDIT: Wait a minute, craptest, how can they add senate scenes into Episode IV if there is no senate anymore? :huh:

Nah the senate doesn't get dissolved until the empire strikes back. They mention how the senate is in dissary by the actions of the emperor and Vader in A New Hope.

fishonthecarpet - May 22, 2004 08:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (James Thrawn @ May 22 2004, 10:46 AM)
QUOTE (fishonthecarpet @ May 21 2004, 09:18 PM)
I wouldn't count on it breaking cinematic ground... but I'm hoping it will atleast tell a good story, hopefully better than the first two.
I didn't mind The Phantom Menace, it was a decent movie (just no match for 4, 5, 6) but I wasn't much of a fan of Attack of the Clones. Me and my friend laughed the whole way through it  :unsure:
But Natalie Portman looked pretty fine  :thumbsup:

One thing that people don't realise is is that YOU CAN'T BEAT CLASSICS! The OT are classics and you can't top them. You have to view both the OT and the PT was 2 different parts of a whole.

:huh:
Yeah, I kinda realise that.
The thing is, they were still bad movies. Even if they were good, yeah sure, they wouldn't have beaten the originals, but they weren't very good.
Problem solvered.

James Thrawn - May 22, 2004 09:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Araenel @ May 22 2004, 06:18 PM)
QUOTE (Film Guru @ May 22 2004, 10:07 AM)
QUOTE (craptest @ May 21 2004, 09:47 PM)
Worst rumour Ive heard is theyre going to add 'senate' scenes to Episode IV. Oh please no!! :nooo:

Oh please tell me you're kidding! :argh:
Wait a minute, craptest, how can they add senate scenes into Episode IV if there is no senate anymore? :huh:

Nah the senate doesn't get dissolved until the empire strikes back. They mention how the senate is in dissary by the actions of the emperor and Vader in A New Hope.

Actually, in the first scene aboard the Death Star in ANH when Tarkin brings Vader in and Motti and Tagge are arguing. It goes something like this.

Tagge: The Imperial senate...
Tarkin: The Imperial Senate is of no further concern to us. I just recieved word that the Emperor has disolved it permanently
Tagge: How will the Emperor maintain control?
Tarkin: The Regional heads now have full control.

Or something like that anyway. The words might not be right, but the intent is.

Shadow Knight - May 22, 2004 10:50 AM (GMT)
Episode I and II weren't bad, yet i like 85% of the movies i watch.
Trailers and posters for Episode III might be out by the end of the year.

BrotherEstapol - May 22, 2004 10:50 AM (GMT)
WTF is Lucas smoking? :eyebrow:

I was hoping for Rise of the Empire, or Return of the Sith, or Fall of the Jedi, but I guess you can't get everything....

QUOTE (craptest @ May 21 2004, 06:22 PM)
Hearing that title I instantly thought of Griffith's The Birth of a Nation (1915) A controversial, explicitly racist, but landmark American film.

  If the final star wars breaks new cinematic ground and features no redeemable black characters - then we'll know the title similarities werent an accident.

Well Mace Windu(Samual Jackson) dies in this film.
Does that count? :P


And I didn't think that Episodes 1 & 2 were BAD, I just not overly good. ;)

.StaticA. - May 22, 2004 11:37 AM (GMT)
I strongly doubt theyre gonna call it that.... It'll be something more unexpected that that. No-one expected "The Phantom Menace" or "Attack of the Clones".

They better not make it the third "<blank> of the <blank>" or the third "The <blaaaaank>"

Theyre never very original names. The only original style name really is A New Hope. But still, who cares about the name if the movies all kick ass :D

BrotherEstapol - May 22, 2004 11:50 AM (GMT)
I new hope is the one of the worst names!!!

Bah to you I says!! :P

Hello - May 22, 2004 10:02 PM (GMT)
Even though Star Wars and 2001 are the only sci-fi films I really like, I couldn't give 2 shits about this film. 'Attack of the Clones' was the dullest most crappy films ever - it's just floggin' a big fat cash cow.

~DC - May 23, 2004 07:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (jawbreaker982 @ May 22 2004, 10:27 AM)
Birth of the Empire is a pretty silly name, but it still has nothing on Attack of the Clones.
Worst. Name. Ever.

What's the tentative release date for this installment?

The scheduled date is 19th May 2005. However I reckon that it will get a 25th date to coincide with the 25th anniversary of Star Wars.

Personally I don't mind the name aslong as the film delivers all that is expected I'll be extremely happy.

Fyuusii - May 24, 2004 06:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (James Thrawn @ May 22 2004, 10:46 AM)
QUOTE (fishonthecarpet @ May 21 2004, 09:18 PM)
I wouldn't count on it breaking cinematic ground... but I'm hoping it will atleast tell a good story, hopefully better than the first two.
I didn't mind The Phantom Menace, it was a decent movie (just no match for 4, 5, 6) but I wasn't much of a fan of Attack of the Clones. Me and my friend laughed the whole way through it  :unsure:
But Natalie Portman looked pretty fine  :thumbsup:

One thing that people don't realise is is that YOU CAN'T BEAT CLASSICS! The OT are classics and you can't top them. You have to view both the OT and the PT was 2 different parts of a whole.

That depends on what angle you want to look at it from. Given a theoretical, infinite amount of resources, Lucas probably would've made all six movies in the same time frame and they could've all been considered classics because they adhered to his old morals and objectives more closely, primarily because of the constant exercise of these and the shaping of them into his vision over a relatively short time period. I'm sure that if he had the dough to begin with and knew audiences were going to be interested, he woulda started from the first episode and rolled through chronologically. He never intended them to be two parts of a whole and so, they should not really be looked to as.

Lucas has just lost his edge due to the downtime, if he even had it to begin with (maybe he was just really, really, really lucky?)...

Besides, who says you can't beat classics? Maybe it's just never been achieved to date?

James Thrawn - May 27, 2004 03:20 AM (GMT)
I will agree with that. If he'd had the cash at the beginning he would have made all NINE episodes that he wrote for SW, but he had to make a choice at the time.

Kid A - June 20, 2004 07:32 AM (GMT)
I think it's a great name. Simple, effective and describes what the movie is about. Then again I have HHH's symbol as my avatar so how much does my opinion matter? :P

~DC - June 20, 2004 07:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kid A @ Jun 20 2004, 05:32 PM)
I think it's a great name.

If you are referring to Birth of an Empire Lucas has already ruled the name out. Revenge of the Sith is now looking all the more likely.

Film Guru - June 20, 2004 07:40 AM (GMT)
I was confused by an article I read. The original Trilogy DVDs are being sold un-altered? Or, at least in their special edition forms...no new stuff. :huh:

Kid A - June 20, 2004 08:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (~DC @ Jun 20 2004, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE (Kid A @ Jun 20 2004, 05:32 PM)
I think it's a great name.

If you are referring to Birth of an Empire Lucas has already ruled the name out. Revenge of the Sith is now looking all the more likely.

really? well that's pretty good too. for the same reasons.

Ghost Boy - July 24, 2004 11:18 PM (GMT)
Yup, Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith is now the confirmed title of the final instalment in the famous saga.

Film Guru - July 25, 2004 01:26 AM (GMT)
Damn! You beat me to it Gregg! I was gonna announce it! :P

Anywho, I'm very happy with the title. The most "Classic Trilogy" title of the three prequels. Couldn't be happier. :)

~DC - July 25, 2004 03:27 AM (GMT)
Personally I preferred the title The Phantom Menace much more. Nevertheless it is far better than the horrid Attack of the Clones.

BrotherEstapol - July 25, 2004 08:23 AM (GMT)
*changes thread title accordingly*


Cool, so about 10 months till release, hopefully the trilogy boxed set will tide me over till then. :D

~DC - July 25, 2004 09:08 AM (GMT)
Considering the trilogy has a teaser of the final iteration on it I'm sure it will. ;)




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