While this series probably failed to live up to many people's expectations, I don't think anyone can deny how intense and entertaining the next 3 episodes are going to be.

Now that the sacrificial lambs have been eliminated, it's truly down to the business end, and the remaining players are going to have to eat one of their own in roder to make it to the final 2.

Personally, I cannot stand Boston Rob, and will no doubt go Cambodian on someone's arse if he, or to a lesser extent, Amber, make it to the final 2.

Will Rupert wake up and realsie he's going to have to backstab people to win it? Will his ignorance that cost him the paycheck in the last season take it's toll again? Will Big Tom team with Jenna and Rupert to get rid of Rob or Amber?

Ohh, I can't wait. Discuss away!

I stopped watching this season a few episodes in, so I haven't got much to say other than GO RUPERT!!!!!1

Rupert has been fairly lucky upto this point. He really hasn't had any smart moves in the game at all.

I really hope that Amber takes out Rob.

I'm going for Boston Rob all the way. This guy has been on since day one, but I have a feeling that even if he does make it to the final two, his wheelings and dealings may cost him the money.

If him and Amber are the final two, every other player deserves to be shot. :P

Rupert while popular with the fans and strong in the individual challenges, he just doesn't have what it takes to mentally play the game.

I hope Boston Rob wins for this reason, hes strong and plays the game well.

Same here. Rob thinks he's top (dog) sh*t and that he'll make it to the end. If Rupert, Jenna and Big "I can't speak english properly" Tom don't act and get rid off those 2 love birds, they're going to get screwed by them. WAKE UP ya gits!

Well, I am a huge Boston Rob fan, and have been since survivor 4, which I felt he was delt harshly in. He has played the best game so far, but even if he does make the final 2, most people will vote with emotion and take the victory away from him.

I mean Lex did the same thing to Ethan that Rob did to him, and now all of a sudden he hates Rob because of it. What a hypocrite.

Rob's arragonce is where he fails. Even if he makes it too the final 2, there is no way either Lex, Kathy, (maybe) Alicia or Shii-ann will vote for him. Essentially, he's screwed, and is probably playing as to help Amber win.

It's an interesting situation.

The issue of Boston Rob possibly winning is an interesting one.

It's a similar situation to last year with Johnny Fairplay. Now I know JFP didn't make it to the final three (he probably deserved to), but if he did make it there would be no way the jury would have voted for him.

It's the same case for Boston Rob, the jury will let their arrogance get in their way when voting. People like Lex will still be burnt from getting outplayed and will take that grudge into voting.

The million dollars shouldn't go to the most popular, the prettiest or the person who managed not to ruffle any feathers, it should go to the player who played the game the best.

That being this season, Boston Rob and last season Johnny Fairplay.

I will be gunning for Boston Rob on Monday night...

JFP did make it to the final 3.

10 minutes to go... Wooo! Should be excellent. Here's to seeing Rob's or Amber's torch snuffed. ;)

Big Tom got played. Bad. Boston Rob just keeps on getting closer...

Oh, and I think [m]av' meant the final two ;)

Yeah I meant final two.

Pretty good episode, nice to see some tension in it. I was shocked, shocked I says to see Boston Rob and "Ambah" vote off Big Tom.

Now it's two versus two.

As for Boston Rob's attempt at making Rupert and Big Tom fight it was nothing on JFP who did it to Lillian and D....can't remember her name :P

The finale better be as good as Channel 9 are hyping it

I am surprised Rob voted off Tom, as if he voted off one of the other 2...the he would pretty much be guaranteed a place in the final 2. Tom or Amber would take him to the final 2 if they won that final immunity...where as now it is 2 vs 2, and in Tom he has made another BIG enemy.

I am gunning for Rob, ever since watching survivor 4 I have loved this guy...but unfortunately in the final tribal people will vote on emotion instead of actually who played the game the best, which to me is obviously Rob.

There is still another twist to come, let's see how big it is.

That's it, Boston Rob has a safe spot in the Final 2. The other 3 would be idiots NOT to take him to the final 2, as he's screwed over 5 of the 5 members of the jury.

Look for Jenna to win now. She's the only one who comes within a mile of the hatrad the other contestants feel for Rob. We already know that the other contestants don't want Jenna there, but even then, she'd still beat Rob in the final vote. She's in a great position.

Rupert is royally screwed, and probably the next to go. He'd beat anyone in the final vote, because he hasn't screwed anyone over. Sadly, unless he wins immunity, he'll definitly be the next to go.

Amber is in a pretty comfortable position, because if she sticks with Rob, she wins the money. Even if Rob is voted out, she goes with Jenna, and has a good chance of winning. However, the other contestants contempt for Rob may carry over to her. She's in an interesting position.

Rob is in the box seat, no mater which way you look at it. The other contestants won't want to vote Rob out because he's the most hated from the jury's standpoint. If he's smart, he wouldn't take Amber into the final two, but perhaps his heart will win out, for once.

My predictions for the next outage are Amber or Rupert... Rupert's fucked, sadly. :(

What a great episode. The voting of Big Tom was just a big surprise as it looked like either Rupert or Jenna were being voted off. And why didn't Rupert and Jenna use Big Tom to get rid off Amber and take away any "power" from Rob?
Now that they're down to 2-on-2, it'll be interesting to see who goes next. I think Rupert has a great chance of winning it this time - if Rob & Amber don't make it to the final 2. <_<

Moggo, you assume too many things. Firstly, you assume all the people still left are intelligent.

Look at the last series, everyone on the planet thought Lil would have chosen Jon to take to the final 2, but instead she stupidly picks Sandra (which is good as I hated Lil). But, it has been proven time and time again in Survivor that people do not think rationally at the best of times.

I don't believe Jenna would win against Rob in the final 2, and to be honest she is the only person I don't want winning. I don't care if either of the other 3 win.

I do wish Rob wins, as he has played the best game. Pity that Lex isn't voting on that...that alone makes me glad he was voted off early. He always played it stupidly and rash, and will not change. I believe Rob can put together a strong case if he makes the final 2, we'll just have to wait until tomorrow night to see I guess :P

This has been a horrible bloody season in my eyes. A supposed "Massive Twist" each week has been nothing but a let down. I honestly believe there is nothing left in Survivor that can truly bring me to the edge of my seat, which makes it fairly tough to watch.

The first season will always be the best. There was only one alliance, which made it hell hard to pick who was going, the twists were new and exciting and we had some talented people playing the game. These days it's all about alliances and the dumbest person can go a long way simply because of a good alliance - enter Big Tom.

Did he deserve to be where he was? Hell no, did Shii-Ann? Yahtzee, she was carried that far as well because she posed little threat.

If I was voting for someone to win the million, it would be the person who has played the game the most. I don't care if they screwed me and sent me packing - if they played the game harder than anyone else, they deserve it.

None of the remaining four deserve a million dollars, they're all hacks.

Yeah, that's right Gregg, because Rob hasn't played the game well at all...he hasn't won any challenges when it has mattered, and in general has been carried along with someone elses alliance :blink:

What show are you watching!!

I agree with Kid, Boston Rob has been playing the game since the minute he got there, and playing it well. He is the most deserving survivor, but as we all know to well, that doesn't translate into a million bucks come the end of the series.

That plus the curse of the car :P

ok my money is on rupert to win

Rob or amber will go first (as you can tell one of them is going to turn on the other my money is amber on rob)

then the other as rupert should be able to win the last Imunity if its a edurance one

then he will win in the final 2

Rob has been playing the whole time?

Eh? All he has done is get in an alliance with everyone, so they all think "ok, i'm allied with him, so I'll get someone else" What a nice strategy. Who woulda thunk it? :P

either way I don't care, this series was a flop imo, but rob isn't the champion game player people seem to think he is.

Personally, I don't think this game shows how masterfully Rob played, but how piss-poorly the others played. Yeah, he made a few strategically good moves, but for the most part he's there because he was playing with a bunch of dolts.

If the style of that post was in the 24 thread, you would launch into a massive rant about how our opinions are wrong, and proceed to break down and counter each of our sentences in a desperate attempt to convince yourself that the things the user pointed out aren't true.

However, I'll just be short and sweet, and advise you to keep your flawed analyse of this season quiet. Thanks.

Like Kid said, what show are you watching? Rob has done a good job in masking his real motives all along, while still being as cutthroat as ever. He has played well, schemed, and decieved all along to further his position in the game.

Bullshit. Lex had the games firmly within his hands, until he made the bad move of believing Rob. Prior to that, he smoothly ousted all his closest competitors while hardly raising a sweat. He was switched on from day one, and would have made the final 4 had he not been decieved by Rob. One bad decision does not make a bad player, and at least he was giving it his best shot, and never underestimated the target on his back like Richard and Rob did.

I wouldn't rely on people voting soley on the emotion of why they got voted off for the final vote. Probably by the time they make that final vote they will have gotten over losing the money... certainly that's the way it's worked in other series.

I hadn't really thought about it, but this series definitely has been a disappointment. If only the other Rob hadn't been voted out so early and Johnny Fairplay had been there. And those people that are their hadn't been soo god damned stupid.

Oh well. It's going to be entertaining just to see Rob get voted off tomorrow (oh please, oh please, oh please).

Yes Moggo, but his stupidity extends from Africa, where he acted like a complete child...the same as he acted in Allstars.

One thing in this game is that you cannot predict the future, and saying he would make the final 4 if Rob hadn't deceived him is plain dumb, as Kathy was ready to switch to the other tribe. Tom maybe would have voted with him, but who knows what would have happened.

Jeezus...

It worked didn't it? His strategy has taken him all the way to the final four, and probably beyond. Apparently near everyone elses strategies didnt work, so perhaps what is seemingly the most obvious is also the most effective.

Just because everyone else is stupid doesn't make him a genius :P

Rob hasn't been that smart at all in hindsight. I think he's voted too many pople out at thw wrong time and made some enemies. Actually a lot of enemies.

I didn't watch the other season Rob was in. How was he in that season?

But we need to ask ourselves are people really that stupid, or has Rob manipulated them so well that they think they are playing smart. We get such a limited insight into the game that it really is hard to make this distinction.

Consider an game of basketball where one team get's absolutely pasted. Now, did they play terrible, or did their opponents play so well that they were the cause for this terribleness.

Just another spin on it...

Well it is over, and although I would have liked Rob to win, in the end he just did too much to piss off the others. Amber is still a deserved winner and I hope they last, not get divorced in 2 years like most couples in a similar situation would.

It was a good end to a decent series, although probably not my favourite it did have some highlights. And it was a bit late for Jeff to say that Lex did the same to Colby and Ethan, he should have said that before they voted.

Either way, it was a good ending and Jenna didnt win.

Bring on Survivor 9!!!

Please don't kill me for this, but I'm going to be honest...

Survivor is Officially dead to me now. I always thought that the most deserving person and the one who played the game best would walk away with the money - these last two series have proved me dead wrong. Jenna won Amazon simply because she had a bunch of friends on the jury that liked her. Amber won this one simply because Rob had played a bit harder and there were a lot of sore losers on the jury.

What happened to the days of rewarding the individual who played the game the best? Rob, by and large, carried Amber to the final. Sitting back and doing nothing so you don't make enemies is not a strategy in my opinion. So Rob didn't do anything like Hatch in season 1, but he still did more than Amber and he deserved to win because of that. It's just a pity you have such jealous and sore losers making the final decision.

I HATE JEFF PROBST. Who the hell has three consecutive consonants in their name?

Umm...Me!

I wasn't to dissapointed with the ending. I was going for Rob all the way, and in the end, he did get the girl and the money. So for him, mission accomplished. By the way, I picked the proposal about 2 weeks ago ;)

It's amazing that those two made it to the final tribal. Everyone realised how much of a threat they were but Rob and Amber managed to weasel their way out of trouble every time. Kudos to them.

Tom was PISSED. 'Nuff said.

The final revelation was pretty crappy. It's over. Who really cares that we are going to give away another million. The fun just isn't there when it is only a popularity vote from the viewers. Fuck that, if I wanted that I would watch BB.

I will agree however that Survivor really better spice this next series up with some decent twists, or it may be goodnight for the show.

anyone else voting for the person to get the million?

I voted for rupert! He's easily my favourite Survivor person from any series

Get your facts straight next time Gregg. The last two series weren't this one and the Amazon, the last one was Pearl Islands when Sandra won. She played a ruthless game too, and deserved to win, and JFP got within a spot of the end, so your argument was pretty flawed. I can't stand people who come in here and give uneducated opinions. You'd be crying foul if someone did it in the 24 thread.

You hate Jeff Probst for his last name? Lordy. :rolleyes: I believe Jeff makes the show what it is... he's the best host on television, bar none.

Now, although I wasn't too thrilled with the surprise, I think it was an awesome finale, especially tribal council and Tom's speech, and then the hostility during the reunion show, especially with Jerri walking out... she was looking crushed after she was jeered so badly.

I hate both Rob and Amber, but she really did play a good game, and luck played a part in it. A good ending to a solid series.

Bring on the series I say, and lets get back to the basics.

Rob said in his opening comments that he didn't let relationships interfere with his strategy. I think this was a hypocritical statement as he clearly let his relationship with Amber control how he played as far as she was concerned. If they weren't involved, I think he would have chosen Jenna over her in the end because he knows he has a better shot of winning over her.

The reason his alliance with Amber worked was because they were involved. His relationship with her did influence everything.

Burnett always wants to put on a morality play. Even winners who connived in the past, still had some redeeming characteristics, even if it was knowing to act humble when they didn't feel that way. Survivor is a show where the arrogant get their commupance and people lose the final three just for being nasty (Keith, Johnny Fairplay). Now we have a Survivor where Rob lied and cheated people right and left. (and yes, the others were stupid, stupid people) He brought his girlfriend, and now fiance to the final two so losing the jury vote ultimately didn't hurt him so much. No reform, no redemption. Yes, he did act contrite in final tribal council, but to everyone that was too little to late. So, in comes the twist where the most popular survivor will win. I do want Rupert to get it but it seems Burnett also wants Rupert to win very badly and he deliberately contrived this twist just for his benefit. So the moral will be nice guys can finish first. Artificial? Yes, but I'm glad it is happening.

Jenna probably deserved to win more than the big guy she was up against as all he did was get carried by Rob C

Also this series droped off near the middle but that cant be helped since all the good players and intresting people where voted off early (Rob C, Hatch, Rudy, Colby, Ethan)

Oh god, give it a rest! You don't like me - big deal - there is no need to rubbish my own opinion because of it.

Firstly, I wasn’t trying to argue anything, I was merely posting my thoughts on Survivor - this is a discussion forum after all.

I forgot about Pearl Island! OMG HOW CAN I LIVE WITH MYSELF!?!?! :rolleyes: Sandra did deserve to win, I don't disagree with that.

Pearl Islands were okay, but Amazon was complete tripe. I know you're a fan of Survivor and there's nothing wrong with that, but even you must admit that Survivor Amazon was really sub-par.

As for "crying foul" for someone posting his or her opinion of 24 in the 24 Discourse Lounge, well, you obviously don't know me too well. Anyone is welcome to go in there and list the reason they don't enjoy 24 - THAT'S THE BLOODY PURPOSE OF THESE FORUMS!

I will correct you on the "uneducated opinions" part though. The correct term would be uneducated personal opinions - a term that is flawed in itself as it's impossible to have an uneducated personal opinion. My post was my opinion and I didn't think I needed to close it with, "Of course, this is my personal opinion" for you to get that message, Moggo. In future I'll have to mark every post as my own opinion just so you are clear that I'm not speaking on behalf of a wider audience.

Vooom! Ever heard of sarcasm? It's a joke, buddy! :lol: :lol: :lol: (Note: Use emoticons to clearly signpost future sarcasm and jokes for Moggo's benefit)

Nemesis486, I don't think anyone in the Amazon deserved to win - Rob C is hardly the mega Survivor player he makes out to be. In All Stars he looked like a lost child amoung adults. :D

All Stars did lose a lot of power around the middle in my opinion (MOGGO!). In my opinion, it should've been called Survivor Previous Contestants, as a true Survivor All Stars would solely comprise the best and brightest to have played the game. Every past winner and every past strategist - not your token dumb person, your token African American, your token hot girl, your token jock etc. Don't be fooled by the name, this certainly wasn't the cream of the Survivor crop.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.

Note: The above is only Gregg's opinion. :P

This will probably sound as though I'm doing it just for the sake of my argument, but I firmly believed both Amazon (Season 6, which Jenna won) and the Australian Ouback were the best series to date.

Why Amazon? Roc C single-handidly made that season. He was simply awesome to watch, and his intelligence and dry-wit made him a very entertaining competitor. When it got down to the business end, the way he manipulated and connived his way towards the end reminded me so much of Richard Hatch. Now, I appreciate your opinion, but Amazon in my opinion, was the second best season from the 8. The most deserving player didn't win, but watching Rob exploiting his fellow tribemates was quality TV. Nothing could touch the Australia season.

I agree with the many people who said this season lost something around mid-season, and I personally believed it lost that edge when Hatch was voted out. Rob C hurt too.

However, I don't think that All-Stars was any indication of Survivor dying. I think our expectations were too high from the beginning, and as Probst says, the game is better played by strangers...

It really needed Frilenski back too. :(

I'd definitely agree with that. I only managed to catch the last few episodes before Rob was eliminated but he easily rivalled, and may have even surpassed, Richard when it came to pursing everyone to think he was on "their" side in the game.

It was a good idea to pit the so-called "All-Stars" of the series against each other but it's a shame and reflecting back upon it quite predictable that the most manipulative and devious contestants from past seasons were always first on the elimination table.

Plus this season didn't have JFP who, in my opinion, was probably the best contestant to play the game thus far.

I agree with this assessment, though I would say that the lineup probably relied a lot upon who was willing to go back and who wasn't. I assume in the end they chose the best players and the biggest characters out of those who were willing to play again, plus a few 'bolters'.