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Ghost Boy - April 25, 2004 01:47 PM (GMT)
Stealing!? Hey, I created the original so I am entitled to use the exact name again on Evolution. :P

Thread rules:

What can be discussed here:
- Past shows (as determined by Australian TV).
- Characters/Actors.
- Current and Past story lines.
- Past Seasons, for those who have followed this gem since day 1.

What can't:
- Spoilers. None whatsoever.
- Future story lines that you know about, please don't even hint.

How good is the current season by the way?

I haven't spoken to most of the crazy 24 freaks from Hyperactive in around 6 months so I'm really looking forward to getting back into it with you guys.

First post in this forum too!

TrinityJayOne - April 25, 2004 02:27 PM (GMT)
You just couldn't wait, could you? :P

I'd like to get into this show as I've heard nothing but good things, but I haven't watched even one episode since it started and I don't wanna just jump in. Plus channel 7 always dump it in the arse end of their programming schedule, don't they? Damn channel 7...

Anyhoo, if they ever decide to show it right from episode one again, let me know. ;)

Ghost Boy - April 25, 2004 02:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TrinityJayOne)
You just couldn't wait, could you? :P


You know me TJ1! :rolleyes:

QUOTE (TrinityJayOne)
I'd like to get into this show as I've heard nothing but good things, but I haven't watched even one episode since it started and I don't wanna just jump in.


Just thinking about it, you might be able to get away with it. Channel 7 sometimes have a nasty habit of playing this bloody redundant 5 minute recap thing at the start of the show. We're not too far into the season at the moment - might be worth a shot.

QUOTE (TrinityJayOne)
Plus channel 7 always dump it in the arse end of their programming schedule, don't they?


Well it's been shafted an hour this season which isn't great, but it could be worse. I'm just glad we get the show each week. Las Vegas is okay and I'm glad they nudged 24 with something that's half watchable and isn't made by Mark Burnett. :angry:

QUOTE (TrinityJayOne)
Anyhoo, if they ever decide to show it right from episode one again, let me know. ;)


Go spend hundreds on the DVD box set. :D

~DC - April 25, 2004 02:44 PM (GMT)
Seasons 1 & 2 are available at JB Hi-Fi for a mere $59.95.

CLL - April 26, 2004 02:19 AM (GMT)
I'm loving the current series at the moment. My only major gripe is the fact that Ch 7 has those 5min recaps at the start of the show, and they also have those previews containing major spoilers about next week's show. Other than that, everything's been pretty good.

thebigm - April 26, 2004 02:32 AM (GMT)
I am also loving the show, although I may not be able to watch tonight's episode due to having guests over :-(

Ghost Boy - April 26, 2004 01:12 PM (GMT)
Hol-eee-crap!

I had fallen into a rut of really liking the Salazar brothers - I guess the writers realised this and turned it around. Ramon is one bad ass guy.

The funniest line of the season:

"Who's going to watch her?"
"... Give her to Kim"
"What!?"

Hehe. :D

I'll post more when it comes to mind.

~DC - April 26, 2004 02:18 PM (GMT)
I throughly enjoyed the episode, as always, but felt it was more a filler for much bigger things to come in the next couple of shows. Aside from the last neat twist nothing new was really uncovered.

Saying this, I especially liked the way the writers completely turned the tables as far as each individual's relationship with Jack and the virus transaction. Hector literally had to knock out Ramon at the beginning to prevent him from killing Jack and yet it ended up turning out the complete opposite for the conclusion, with Ramon killing his very brother to keep any hopes alive for the deal to go ahead. Very cool.

Ghost Boy - April 26, 2004 11:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (~DC @ Apr 26 2004, 11:48 PM)
Hector literally had to knock out Ramon at the beginning to prevent him from killing Jack and yet it ended up turning out the complete opposite for the conclusion, with Ramon killing his very brother to keep any hopes alive for the deal to go ahead. Very cool.

That's a good point. In the space of a few episodes things have swung hugely. Claudia had been pushing Hector to be partners with his brother from the start and last night it was made clear that Ramon doesn't want a bar of that! I love it how it just reinforces how badass Ramon is and why he's such a dangerous and wanted man. He'll take money over his own brother.

The last few show have definitely been filler, nothing huge has happened but a lot of groundwork is being laid and people are being put in position. For the first time this season (save for the first episode), I'm quite interested in Palmer's story. This is helped by the fact that the guy playing Allan Milicant (DC, can you get the proper spelling off the official site?) is a fantastic actor. I'm fawning at the thought of what they're going to try and do to each other from a political standpoint.

Wahoo!

CLL - April 27, 2004 12:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gregg @ Apr 26 2004, 11:12 PM)

The funniest line of the season:

"Who's going to watch her?"
"... Give her to Kim"
"What!?"

Hehe. :D


When that part happened, I couldn't stop laughing. You just knew she would be dragged into it.

I like the new powerplay between Palmer and Milligan (sp?), and it's more interesting now that Sheree is a part of it. You never know what her agenda is.

Ramon killing his own brother. Now, THAT's cold. Although I expected he might, especially after all the arguing they've been doing.

thebigm - April 27, 2004 02:38 AM (GMT)
Talk about a good ending, it was simply cold, taking his brother's life.

And the part with Kim and the baby was funny, like CLL said, you could see she would get dragged in it.

~DC - April 27, 2004 06:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gregg @ Apr 27 2004, 09:52 AM)
This is helped by the fact that the guy playing Allan Milicant (DC, can you get the proper spelling off the official site?) is a fantastic actor.

Allan Milliken.

I also forgot to mention how awesome that scene was where Jack headbutted Nina. :D

tinklez - April 27, 2004 12:22 PM (GMT)
I wasn't too sure what to make of the series after the first couple of episodes (Jack a junky? Okaaaay...), but I'm starting to get really sucked into again, in particular after the re-introduction of Nina and Sheree (President Palmer's storyline is all of a sudden getting interesting). And yeah, Kim's reaction when told to take care of the baby was a classic, hehe!

Oh and is it just me or does Ramon Salar have no eyebrows at all?

Moggo - April 27, 2004 02:33 PM (GMT)
I firmly believe this is the best season so far. I'm thoroughly enthralled and even look forward to it more than Survivor... that's saying something. :o

Gregg has a good point with the Salazar brothers, because I too had grown to enjoy both characters. Ramon is a likeable character now that he has confidence in Jack, and the mindplay between both of them is magnificant.

Nina was a nice addition, but the best part of the last few episodes has been Sherri's revival and her subsequent storyline. I admire her acting and she really gives it her all... her character is great too.

Unlike last season, no aspect of the storyline at present is a letdown... needless to say, I hope the Chloe/Kim situation doesn't go much further, but I have a horrible feeling it will. Other than that, it's top notch, and among my favourite television shows ever. :)

MrRae - April 27, 2004 02:47 PM (GMT)
I thought it was a great episode, much better than last week. They may have both been "filler" episodes, but this one had more stuff happening which made it more interesting. And man, I was just getting to like Hector :P That was cold for sure.

~DC - April 27, 2004 11:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moggo @ Apr 28 2004, 12:33 AM)
I firmly believe this is the best season so far. I'm thoroughly enthralled and even look forward to it more than Survivor... that's saying something. :o

Wait, let me get this straight, you actually like Survivor: All Stars?!

I don't know about it being the best season so far either. I especially enjoyed the opening few episodes more than the beginnings of the previous seasons however over the last couple the storyline has become kind of tedious and run at a much slower pace. I guess that is only because the writers are buliding it up for something big though.

Moggo - April 28, 2004 05:17 AM (GMT)
Feel free to stop emphasising your words with italics ala-Sytadel. Seriously, it just adds to your crapulance.

QUOTE
Wait, let me get this straight, you actually like Survivor: All Stars?!


Yes, I do!! Don't talk down to me.

In contrast, I think 24 is greatly improved this time round. It has a much more involving and consistent storyline, and Sherri and Nina's return has really added to the overall brilliance. Why I haven't seen the actress who plays Sherri on TV before is a wonder.

Kate still has to come back, which is just great, and we're only halfway through the series. Tops!


~DC - April 28, 2004 07:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moggo)
Yes, I do!! Don't talk down to me.

I wasn't, more surprised then anything considering how absolutely crap the All-Stars season has been so far.

QUOTE (Moggo)
Kate still has to come back, which is just great, and we're only halfway through the series. Tops!

I'm a little curious as to how you came to that conclusion. We all know that the writers left out some little unresolved pieces in previous seasons so why would there be any need to bring Kate back just because she was on the phone to Jack early on? As an example on Season two Jack whispered something in Nina's ear which made turned her face pale white in shock and fear. Yet we never found out what he said.

Moggo - April 28, 2004 10:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (~DC @ Apr 28 2004, 05:41 PM)
I wasn't, more surprised then anything considering how absolutely crap the All-Stars season has been so far.


All-Stars has never been crap, it just didn't match the extraordinary expectations that we all personally set for it... well, until last night's episode, anyway.

A true return to form, and the claws are beginning to come out. I can satisfyingly revel in its quality production and entertainment once again! B)

On the topc of Kate Warner, I'm sure they'll weave her into the storyline somehow... if not, I guess you can just add another pile of chips ontop of you 'I'm always right, bow down to my opinion' pile, eh?

~DC - April 28, 2004 12:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moggo @ Apr 28 2004, 08:25 PM)
On the topc of Kate Warner, I'm sure they'll weave her into the storyline somehow... if not, I guess you can just add another pile of chips ontop of you 'I'm always right, bow down to my opinion' pile, eh?

I was just actually curious as to why you thought she would be back more than anything.

Just looking ahead for a moment I would like to know people's predictions on what may happen in the finale and how the season will conclude. It is rumoured that major cast restructing could occur or even a larger break between seasons to allow the writers some time off to alter the show so that it remains fresh in the world of drama shows. These are just rumours at the moment though.

Personally I believe that at least a couple of major characters will be killed off, possibly including Jack, despite the virus prevented from spreading throughout the US. As episodes past it also looks less and less like President Palmer will survive his re-election as problems continue to amount.

Moggo - April 28, 2004 12:39 PM (GMT)
I saw in the paper today that it's been 'confirmed' that 23 is coming back for a 4th Season.

I know it's old news to most of us, just thought I'd make sure everyone knew anyway. ;)

Pauly - April 29, 2004 03:55 PM (GMT)
Hey Gregg, long time no see. Hi to all you guys I know from hyper too. Nice to see you again Moggo.

This season is terrific so far. I thought Ramon killing off Hector was a good end to last episode, which I thought was merely filling in some time.

Anyway, I don't really know where the season will end up. I'm hoping Jack doesn't die. It's pretty unrealist with him avoiding death so many times but I can't see the show going anywhre without him. Sure it will still be just as engaging but Bauer is a great protagonist that would be hard to replace.

QUOTE ("Moggo")
Nina was a nice addition, but the best part of the last few episodes has been Sherri's revival and her subsequent storyline. I admire her acting and she really gives it her all... her character is great too.

I agree. She's a terrific character and IMO is essential for a good Palmer storyline. It was starting to get quite boring without her. I'm also hoping Nina's involvement will pick up a little because it kind of fell short.

Can't wait for the next episode. Hopefully another cool twist is on the way ^_^

Moggo - April 30, 2004 02:20 PM (GMT)
Hector's death was a little predictable, which is possibly my only gripe with the show in the last two episodes... in the last episode, it was quite obvious when Nina had the gun at Jack's head that she was going to shoot her guard. Then, you could see it coming when the fight erupted that one of the brother's wasn't going to leave with his life.

However, I guess that's juust a side-effect from watching that show... you expect the unexpected each and everytime, and pick on the things that would have been unexpected in any other show.

Mmm... 24. It ain't get much better.

MrRae - May 1, 2004 04:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moggo @ Apr 28 2004, 10:39 PM)
I saw in the paper today that it's been 'confirmed' that 23 is coming back for a 4th Season.

I know it's old news to most of us, just thought I'd make sure everyone knew anyway. ;)

Awesome, 23 is my favourite show! :P

Moggo - May 1, 2004 04:28 PM (GMT)
Err, shit. :P

Let's just hope the 4th Season isn't one step too far for 24. The current season is easily the best in my opinion, and I find it hard to see how they'd top it utilising the current cast. Perhaps that's the answer then.

Film Guru - May 2, 2004 02:49 AM (GMT)
When I saw the first Season I thought "they won't be able to top that". After the second Season was over with, while it started off awesome, wasn't overall as good as Season 1. I was totally convinced it could only get worse, and man was I wrong. Season 3 is simply put, amazing so far. If it keeps up on this level, perhaps they'll prove us wrong again by making Season 4 amazing too.

josh - May 2, 2004 10:52 AM (GMT)
Hey... I've never seen this show eh, but isn't there an actress in it called Sarah Wynter?

Ghost Boy - May 2, 2004 12:02 PM (GMT)
Yeah, the Aussie actress Sarah Wynter (of The 6th Day fame). She co-starred in season 2 of 24 and made a very brief appearance in the first episode of season 3.

We're speculating whether or not she will make a return this season. At this stage I'm guessing no.

josh - May 2, 2004 12:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gregg @ May 2 2004, 10:02 PM)
Yeah, the Aussie actress Sarah Wynter (of The 6th Day fame). She co-starred in season 2 of 24 and made a very brief appearance in the first episode of season 3.

We're speculating whether or not she will make a return this season. At this stage I'm guessing no.

Oh i was just saying, because sarah wynter is the neice of the head geography teacher at my high school. She's apparently hell nice, bought Mr. Badger's daughter this Armani gown for her formal.

That was pretty tops of you, Sarah! :thumbsup:

Pauly - May 3, 2004 12:33 PM (GMT)
Another great episode. I knew Amadar swapped the virus when he asked for it back while Nina got confirmation that she transfered the funds to his account. The Palmer storyline is becoming a lot better now that Sherie is back. Can't wait for next episode!

Moggo - May 3, 2004 02:12 PM (GMT)
I agree, another fantastic episode.

Having Sherri in the Palmer storyline is gold, beccause she adds to the show so, so much. Her acting is superb, and she draws you in with her confidence. Great acting on Penny Johnson's part. Her storyline is becoming one of the best, because I'm interested in what she can pull out next.

I'll miss Salazar, to be honest. :( He was a great character, and his certainly become likeable towards the end of his run. His intensity will be missed.

Overall, I was enthralled by the episode and loved how the Delta team was set-up. It was another good ending, and with so many entertaining storylines (even Chloe's has become entertaining...), this season has proved itself to be the best yet.




Pauly - May 3, 2004 02:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moggo)
I'll miss Salazar, to be honest.

Yea I agree but he had to go some time. At least there's still Amadar and Nina left.

QUOTE (Moggo)
even Chloe's has become entertaining...

lol irony at its best!

CLL - May 4, 2004 12:34 AM (GMT)
When Amador swapped the virus he had his back turned to Nina, so I would've thought that Chase should've seen he swapped it. It was also plain to see that Amador had an escape route and was setting up an ambush for Delta 3. But I have to say the episode was still good.

Chloe and Adam - how do they let these people work together in CTU?? It seems like everyone at CTU is trying to find faults with other people, that you just have to wonder how they find time to do their jobs. :rolleyes:

Ghost Boy - May 4, 2004 01:05 AM (GMT)
Another bloody great episode!

After what have been a few transitional episodes (I don't like to call them filler), 24 is back in high gear and the next part of the season is rolling. I've been a big fan of Michael Amador since he first showed - just comes off as a superior type of bad guy to me, who is always one step ahead. I too had figured out that he was leading them into a trap, but my cue came the episode before when he said he'd meet them in like and hour and five minutes. I must say Jack and co. were pretty stupid not to go "Geez, that seems like an overly long time to get to a shed up the road."

It'll be very interesting to find out what Amador's plans really are now - I hope he's our lead protagonist.

Sherri Palmer is a great character; one of the best the show has ever produced. Penny Johnson Jerald is a fabulous and classically trained actor who nails the character out of the ballpark. It's amazing how just adding her to Palmer's storyline has pulled it up from what I think was a fairly average course. I wonder where that crazy trailer park man has gone though?

Have I mentioned that I think Allan Milliken is just a fantastic and rich character?

Chloe is cradle snatching now eh? This is sure to provide some very interesting moments in the near future. They definitely need to get her out of CTU though, she's a complete nutter and I'm sure they have someone on standby with her training. I'd be calling that person in now.

Post more when it comes to mind.

CLL - May 4, 2004 03:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gregg @ May 4 2004, 11:05 AM)
Sherri Palmer is a great character; one of the best the show has ever produced. Penny Johnson Jerald is a fabulous and classically trained actor who nails the character out of the ballpark. It's amazing how just adding her to Palmer's storyline has pulled it up from what I think was a fairly average course. I wonder where that crazy trailer park man has gone though?

I have to agree with that. Palmer's storyline is now a lot more interesting, because Sherri provides that unpredictability that keeps you guessing about what she will do next.

Machiavelli - May 4, 2004 05:00 AM (GMT)
Chloe... stereotypical nerd that she is, certainly lacks tact. I doubted the baby was just an annoying distraction. Inserting a baby into CTU HQ is too conscious an act by writers in a show as tightly-written as 24. So now who could the mother be? I sense a new character will be introduced. Or maybe it's Kate Warner. No matter who it is, Chase is a dead man. If the bad guys don't kill him, Jack certainly will.

I need to see Nina get bitch-slapped. :P And if Chloe really has put a lid on that worm the way CTU believes she has, then maybe I'll get my wish soon.

Film Guru - May 4, 2004 06:10 AM (GMT)
Awesome episode. Shame Romone had to die, he truly was a cool character, though he brought it upon himself by opening the fake virus/bomb. But while he will be missed, we certainly aren't lacking any bad guys. Nina Myers, while I thought it was pushing it bringing her back a second time, turns out to be as cool as ever. I haven't cringed once at the whole 'she just happens to be involved when something so evil is going down', because her character is pulled off so well.

And as for this Michael Amador guy, I knew he was gonna take over Romone as the new big baddie. Mainly due to every season so far, the story takes a huge turn exactly 12 hours into the season. Since they kept highlighting his character's name in the opening credits when he had very little screen time, it was obvious he was more than meets the eye. Gregg is spot on. He comes across as a cool, calm, superior villain, which is exactly what the show needs after the death of our previous one.

Please, please keep the show this good writers of 24, don't let it drag in the last 12 hours...

~DC - May 4, 2004 07:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gregg)
Sherri Palmer is a great character; one of the best the show has ever produced. Penny Johnson Jerald is a fabulous and classically trained actor who nails the character out of the ballpark. It's amazing how just adding her to Palmer's storyline has pulled it up from what I think was a fairly average course. I wonder where that crazy trailer park man has gone though?

I would have to disagree with her as being one of the best characters from the show. She is downright manipulative and annoying with the way she lures people into getting what she wants. However there is no doubt that Penny Johnson Jerald has down an amazing job transforming herself into this character.

QUOTE (Film Guru)
And as for this Michael Amador guy, I knew he was gonna take over Romone as the new big baddie. Mainly due to every season so far, the story takes a huge turn exactly 12 hours into the season.

I'm actually under the impression that Amador is also working for a higher power. It has been a common occurence for the major villian to not be in any real action or danger until around 3/4 through each season. Plus I am still clinging to the hope that the main villian of the season is conected to Jack's past in some form.

I would have to agree with most of you by saying that it was an awesome episode though. It really progressed at a much faster pace last night, relieving considering that the previous episodes had become extremely bogged down storyline wise. Hopefully Nina is involved in the season a little longer, though I would have to predict that it could be the final season she appears, if only because of the constant recycling of characters and rumoured cast structure. It will also be interesting to see whether the creators have decided to stick with the outback environment rather than base all of the main characters within the city zone...

Sweating Bullets - May 4, 2004 08:10 AM (GMT)
I have missed a fair few episode so would someone explain what the deal is with Chloe?

~DC - May 4, 2004 11:27 AM (GMT)
Basically a babysitter was supposed to watch over the baby while she was at work but cancelled and literally dumped the baby on Chloe. She tried hiding it whilst working at CTU for as long as possible before Chappelle noticed it and demanded that she remove it from the building immediately. She couldn't find anyone to mind it and consequently Chappelle caught it near her again and requested that she stand down from the job. Tony however advised Chappelle that she was the best person for the establishing computer commincations with Chase/Jack and Kim was given the role of babysitting. I mean she has experience at that kind of work already from Season two! :P

If you want the full episode guide I guess I could edit and post it sometime tomorrow Sweating Bullets...




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