If they want to do that, then let them and its none of your business. Only control freaks will try to interfear. We're all the same, except for physical differences. Nothing wrong with it.

also i heard that homosexuality has been done by many wild animals, is this unnatural??

I don't have a problem with it at all. I can understand chruches not wanting to but a civil service should be acceptable to all(it's not of course but people are arses).

As long as they're both consenting adults then I don't really give a shit who marries who.

Neither. You can have sex with whaever hole you'd like, as long as the reciever is willing and as long as it isn't me. :P

Same sex marriage, to me, is a sacrad as heterosexual marriage.

Personally I can't see what's so wrong about it as it still involves two people in love and last time I checked being homosexual doesn't mean you forfeit your rights as a human.

I'm quite certain an animal, in its natural state and environment, has a tendency to commit homosexual acts.

I saw a doco on Discovery Channel about Homo animals. The most homo of all the animal's is the dolphin, they actually take turns giving themselves blowjobs.

I'm against homosexuality. But I can't prevent someone from being one, it's their choice. If they wanna 'milk the prostate' I have no control over them!

I wish those fags would stop shoving their 'right to be homo' into my face everytime I talk to one. I dont give a shit!! Its like listening to some feminist bitch arguing about women's right to be the man of the house sometimes... sheesh!

I heard somewhere that when it goes above a certain temperature (it was either 35 or 40 degrees), flies change from being normal to gay. So the hotter it is, the less likely they'll reproduce

I'm not opposed to same sex marriages, though I am opposed to same sex couples adopting children.

I think pyschologically it would have a negative impact on the childs life, not from the love at home but socially, at school etc.

Without meaning to hijack the thread (but really meaning too) what are people's thoughts?

As far as gay marriage goes, I'm all for it, but ultimately, with marriage being a religious institution, it should be up to the Church to decide. The separation of church and state should work both ways. So I wouldn't support the government imposing gay marriage on the Church, but I'm all for civil unions!

And although I say this with a staunch record of heterosexuality, damn that Matthew Fox from Lost is one handsome son of a bitch!

Horrible actor, mind you. Sawyer is far better looking. :)

I wouldn't kick him outta bed.

I disagree.

What if a same sex couple are great parents? There are many different family units in this world, single parents, uncles/aunties as guardians, adopted parents, grandparents as guardians, what's so bad about having same sex parents?

Here's a hypothetical;

Heterosexual parents, didnt want a child, results in a bad living environment for the child because they are horrible parents.

Same sex parents have an adopted child and provide a stable living environment.

I don't see how a child that has two mums or two dads, will be any psychologically damaged as opposed to a child that has a horrible life under heterosexual parents, as a child with adopted parents, or under any other family relationship.


As for same sex marriages I certainly dont have a problem with it, although I wonder what's the point exactly? If you're in a defacto relationship you have all the same legal rights that a married couple would have (I'm almost certain anyway), I suppose if it's simply a symbol of love between the two then there's nothing wrong with it.

Well with the point you brought up, everyone loses in that case. But with having two parents of the same gender the child is basically guaranteed to be taunted throughout his early life, where as with the hetrosexual parents they can either leave home and move in with foster parents.

With those other family units you mentioned, no one cares because they are still considered normal, so they won't really have an impact.

Also finally, you are talking about a living environment. I'm talking about a social environment.

Quick edit: This new quoting doesn't work for me. If you have two quotes in your post the second one doesn't change colour, it just gets indented. Makes it hard to read :wacko:

I suppose a child who is fat, wears glasses, has freckles etc is guaranteed to be taunted throughout their early life, perhaps even more than a kid with same sex parents. This sort of thing happens amongst the primary school years. What's to say a child with same sex parents will have a harder life in the social setting?

Perhaps they are considered normal now, but they were not 'normal' generations before us, they only became 'normal' over time because it was understood that there is nothing wrong, same principle will apply with same sex parents.

I doubt he'd get teased more, and if he did he could easily just swing back to the kids with the same sex parents. I'm not even thinking of primary school either, highschool would be far worse and more detrimental because an individual is more aware of why it is weird at that age.

But this is still different. What if the father of a family dies? Bam! Single parent. Bam! They both die, your off with your aunty and uncle. You just don't stumble upon gay parents.

Wouldn't the approval of same sex marriages/parents in the wider community translate into acceptance amongst the younger generation as well? And therefore the problems/concerns that you mention wouldn't even occur.

Just because it's different, dosent mean this sort of family unit was frowned upon, and judged by others and to some extent still is. What about single parent situations where the father or mother simply pissed off, they didnt die. The child didnt 'stumble upon' the situation, the child never stumbles upon anything, it's always the result of choice that adults make, so what's wrong if gay parents decide to raise a child?

There seems to be an opinion (I’m not saying this is yours) that if gay parents raise a child then the child will be gay, this opinion is flawed because:

1. What's wrong with being gay
2. If the argument was even true, then why do heterosexual parents have gay children?

It would take time before it is accepted, and in that time kids are going to get harrassed for someting they had no control over. Look how long it has taken for gay marriage to be accepted, has it even been truly accepted now? America bans it don't they?

That's what I'm trying to say. The child doesn't have a choice and it is (I'm damn certain someone in this situation is going to be harrassed in their life) them that's going to have to face it later on when they could have just as easily been adopted by hetrosexual parents who are just as loving and caring.

And for the last part, I do not think that having gay parents will cause the child to be come gay themselves.

This is called 'progress', perhaps there will be children that are harrassed along the way, but if we just stand still as a community, will things ever get better? If this sort of 'debate' continues children under gay parents will continue to suffer. The only way for your concerns to be solved, is for the community the accept this form of family like any other.

If the child truly hates their life because of their gay parents, they have every right to find their real parents, just like adopted children. In a sense, at least children that have gay parents would be completly aware of their different situation right away, unlike being adopted, which could be kept a secret and thus result in a far worse situation.

The biggest flaw in your argument, is that your assuming children that have gay parents are going to be harrassed badly in society, this may be a fair concern, but as I said there will be no progress in society if we continue to 'ban' these families and debate about them. And thus, the harrassment comes from the fact that there is a debate at all.

Fair enough Borg, though if it were me there is no way I would want to be caught in the middle while society makes progress on this issue, and I probably wouldn't be able to make that choice if I was adopted.

By the way, I think we've put everyone else off posting in this thread :P

This thread title is just asking for the biggest freakin'pun.

But I won't say it.

Although I think homosexuality is wrong, I don't really mind two homosexuals marrying each other. If that makes sense.

Not just flies mate, 'global warming' is seriously affecting humans too.

I think all your opinions are stupid since you wrote that only christians can go to heaven and the rest are doomed to hell.

Hahah we did kind of hijack the thread didn’t we :P

Regarding Inquisitor's comment I'm not sure how can think homosexuality is wrong, yet say it's ok if they got married?

I don't mind it, as long as i don't have to hear the details. There were about 3 gay guys at my old work, and two of them were fine, as they didn't go into details about what they did with their boyfriend on the weekend. But the other guy did, and so i hate him. I didn't want to or need to know :P

IMO, They can get married, just don't go prancing all over tv saying ZOMG WE GOT MARRIED NOW WE CAN...yeah <_<

i dont mind if you hijack the thread just dont take it way off topic though!!

I think if you compared say the amount of hetrosexual references on tv to the amount of homosexual references it'd be pretty clear that "homosexuals shoving their right to be homo in your face" is a lot rarer than "hetrosexuals shoving their right to hetro in your face".


I guess the key thing about marriage is that while it can have some religious meaning, it also has gives legal rights. And I don't think hetrosexuality should be a requirement to receive those rights. Obviously a religious organisation can refuse to marry certain groups of people if they wish, but I don't think they should deny the rights of those people that don't follow their religion to have the same legal rights as other people.

On the legal rights though, can't a couple that lives together as 'defacto' have essentially the same rights as a married couple or is there some differences? I'm pretty sure there are at least some legal rights for these non married couples.

I don't see how Homosexuality or Bisexuality is "wrong". Seeing that you can't control what you're attracted to.

I couldn't imagine being oriented that way but it's not wrong.
Like the others said, who cares who marries who, anyway?

Honestly, youve got to be down there with the 6 or 7 dumbest people using the Internet.

Yeah as long as they are a man and a woman. I even think centrelink recognises gay couples.

Thank you for noticing me.

You do no favours for yourself.

You're so worthless. Ugh.

hes ignoring an insult he just recieved how is that worthless??

i was thinking could it be a disoreder?? or a gender identity disorder?? like they cannot help being gay, saying they can all choose may ignorant and wrong, its proven you can be born homosexual.

Su sure, they can marry, they can love, its not their fault, and why shouldnt they

Oh don't mind those two, they have the tendency to react like homosexuals when they're bored. You can help them by ignoring their pathetic attempts to bait.

I was looking for a gay pic to go with this post but found some horrible shit I thought Mykle would enjoy, being the sick perverted child he is.

Images of this nature may be deemed offensive - borgster101.

So then reacting like a DZ is obviously to ignore the insult, then trawl the internet for gay and incest porn.

HEALTHY.

I'm not saying that you can't be born homosexual or whatever, but so many people say that and now I'm really wondering 'where's the proof?' I've never seen any data or other information to back that statement up.

For your pleasure!

Think of it this way, who would want to choose a life of a homosexual, being judged, harrased, depressed, especially in earlier times when homosexuality was not 'accepted' (it still isn't in some ways) there is no logicial reason to choose this more difficult life because of society's acceptance. Which essentially suggests that homosexuality is a preference not a choice, that is they simply have natural attraction to the same sex.

Of course this isn't scientific evidence, but this 'theory' if you will, makes sense in my opinion, illustrating that at least the majority of homosexuals are born that way.


DZ and Mykle your recent posts have not been contributing to this thread, please try to stay on topic.

Yeah, I talked to a guy who ran some education thing about homosexuality in schools and that was pretty much what he said (ie "Why would I have chosen to be gay and put up with all the crap I do?") and the answer is pretty much you wouldn't.

Regarding the law; I think you can be in a homosexual defacto relationship and that gives you some rights, but it doesn't give you the same rights as a married couple. For example it's a lot easier to claim your partner's stuff if they die and don't leave a will if you were married to them.

Tasmania has a "relationship register" thing that allows homosexual (and hetrosexuals) to register their relationship in such a way that they get most of the rights of a married couple. And I think other states are attempting similar laws, much to the disapproval of John Howard.

Some people aren’t happy unless they're depressed and choosing to be flamboyantly homosexual may seem like an easy way to be depressed and have other genially feel for them.

Anyway, I personally believe that a few people are born gay but that the majority choose it.

And since I don't have any connection to the church I don't care if they 'marry'.

I see the word 'happy' has lost it's meaning through the ages.