Witness the evolution of the revolution. First it played songs. Then photos. Then podcasts. Now iPod plays video, changing the way you experience your music and more. Again. In lighter, thinner 30GB and 60GB models starting at $449 RRP, the new iPod is music to your eyes.



After being punched in the face in public, snapping his wrist downhilling, breaking his earphones and smashing his iPod Mini screen, I was thrilled to show my mate This awesome link which saved his soul.

And as for the PSP, think about it...

iPod Video (30 GB) = $450
PSP (1GB) = $600+

I am seriously thinking of getting one of these, especially after considering that the PSP wouldn't be worth it, and I could get 30GB of Lost episodes on the iPod. That would be great for those long car trips.

Looks like I might be getting one of these as well, was considering a Nano, but know that these are out, there is no point, and also if you can get student discounts its $400 for the 30GB.... tempting.

By student you mean Uni right...

I had to buy an iPod a couple of months ago didn't I? Damn it. It's tempting to sell this one and get a new one. I mean for slightly more than what I payed I'm getting 10GB more and the ability to play movies...

If you were gonna pay over $600 for device you wanted primarily for video playback, the PSP would be a stupid choice either way.

Anyway, the addition of video playback seems alright. It's not going to be great, with that small screen, but I guess it could be handy to have.

I am curious as to what the frame-rate is on this thing.

If it's 25 or 30fps, then they've got themselves a winner.

Certainly looks promising. As long as I can sell me Shuffle, I'll be getting this...

I think this is a serious kick in the nuts for Sony.
I know they've already said that they arn't worried about this cutting in on their market with the PSP, but they'd be stupid not to...

The iPod and the PSP are in totally different markets, its when the iPod plays like a handheld console that they should get worried, and I wouldn't rule it out.

The reason I decided not to spend the extra money and go for the PSP was that the movie play-back only came with a $25 purchase of a UMD-DVD, most of which I already had. Besides, the allure of an entire series of Lost in the palm of my hands would make those car trips that much shorter not to mention put my sisters portable DVD player to shame.

I think I may hold off on my purchase for a while however, something tells me the next iPod will arrive in the near future, be more compact and have a larger screen for movies, possibly much like the current iRiver video unit.

Yeah I could get one. It's kinda hard to justify lashing out $450 for something only marginally better than my iRiver. But when I get my credit card... :P

If you're seriously comparing this, a dedicated portable music and now video device, to the PSP, which can do so much more, primarily on the disk space and price, then you're an idiot.

But hey, can't say I didn't know that already.


Personally, i've been waiting for this to be announced for a long time, but having already purchased an ipod, and a device that plays video on the go, it doesn't interest me at all.

The only thing which the PSP can do which the iPod cannot is play games, but that is only possible at $100 a pop, even a movie is only available after you fork out $25 for the UMD. One of the major marketing angles PSP are using is the fact that you can play movies and listen to music, as a matter of fact I see more advertisements for the PSP based around that rather than the gaming aspect.

The way I see it is, I pay $40 for an entire season of Lost, which is roughly 24hrs of video in the palm of my hand on the 30GB disk, with ample space left over, or I pay $25 per movie for only around 2hrs of video meanwhile I am lugging around UMD disks and cases.

I realise I said they are in completely different markets, now this is true, as a gamer would buy it solely for the playability, and consider everything else a bonus, the reason I am comparing them is because I am only interested in the movie and music playback features. However even still, the niche which puts the PSP in the gamer's market only comes with an extra $150 tacked onto the end of the price, and then another $100 for every game after that.

Now you may call me stupid, or ignorant or what have you, but the truth is I bet even Sony have realised the threat posed by the iPod and as we speak are currently working on PSP 2.0. After all it isn't unheard of for Sony to create more than one version of what is essentially the same product. What has made the PSP unique now becomes nothing more than an overpriced gimmick.

Hmm, I know you were talking to JJJames7, and I don't particularly want this all to go to waste, so just consider it as my 2 cents...

Totally off the subject, I was feeling guilty just then because I wasn't studying, but then I realised this sort of dicussion would help with my DnT exam, heck I wouldn't be suprised if I could use it word for word in my exam! :P

You boys seem to forget that UMD's aren't the only way to play movies and the like on a PSP, but that's hardly the point. They're not comparable.

It's like comparing a ferrari to a jet fighter, because they are both transport vessels, and have wheels... and the ferrari 'winning' because it's cheaper and doesn't cost as much to run. It's folly!

How about comparisons be kept to similar products, like iPod and iRiver.

Like _MetalliX_, I'm fully intending to sell my Shuffle and getting a 30GB model. I've been waiting for the iPod to be compatible with video for a very long time and at around $400 after student discount, available in black, and also with a colour screen this has sealed the deal.

You know I actually saw that? The Ferrari Formula 1 car versus a Jet Fighter, the car won... pretty cool.

The fact is, people would buy the PSP because it plays games, not because it can play movies. In this way they are not comparable. However, I did compare them to see if it was worthwhile purchasing the PSP greatly for its movie playback, which it wasn't.

By the way, did you know if you order online you can get your iPod engraved for free?I Will definitely be getting "_MetalliX_" on mine... :P

How much are those 2gb Memory stick duos again Manny?


I was only comparing them cause Sony are going for that market in their advertising campaigns.
It's all "Movies! MP3s!" with their ads, with games being put aside as merely a novelty; which is the complete opposite.

I'm going to have agree with MetalliX here, and say that if someone wants to buy a portable device that can play movies and music, they aren't going to get a PSP.
The Con that you have to buy all your movies again on UMD, or that you'd have to buy a large enough memory card(that would be expensive) to ripp your DVD's onto, would overweigh the Pro of the larger screen IMHO.

The people I know who have PSP's didn't buy them for games, they bought them for the movie playback...which I think is just damned stupid.


Like many have said, you wait for the udated PSP, with it's built in HDD, and $600 price-tag...hell, I'd buy that.

I'll keep my opinion short and simple.

The iPod has a fairly small screen, so it's best for music. The PSP doesn't have inbuilt high capacity storage, so it's best for games.

If you want the best of both worlds, you could always buy an Archos AV500 or Creative Zen Vision or something.

Edit: or an iStation i2.

I had a look at the Archos AV500, Creative Zen Vision and the other products in the range, then realised the prices were in US$. The iPod still is the best value, large enough to comfortably watch movies, small enough to use for music, plus it has all the backing of iTunes.

My friend was looking into getting one of those larger screened irivers, but their retail price is around the $700 mark.

Though he did find one very cheap on ebay for $500, which is pretty good for a portable 20gb DivX/Xvid player.

I like those iRivers, unfortunately like you said they are very expensive.

"BOOM, HEADHOT"?!? :/ James, you seriously need stop wanking over anything Apple or iPod. Its absolutely stupid to be comparing a PSP to an iPod. You say you would buy an iPod Video to watch movies? The screen is so tiny its smaller than the PSP's one! Its like watching movies on a DS.

You're only excited cos its new and it can play video, plus its being hyped by all those gadget mags with their glossy pics and exclamation marks at the end of every sentence. The PSP is a gaming console, the ipod can't play games. You won't get Burnout or Wipeout on that ipod. But you can play movies and MP3's on a PSP. And you can surf the net and chat to some extent on the PSP.

Stop wanking over the new iPod. I'm not saying it sucks, no, I'd like one myself (but I won't cos I have other things in mind, like a PS3 or X360! maybe?) to be honest. Just don't be silly and compare two totally different portables.

The iPod screen is far from tiny, but I'm pretty sure you can also hook it up to the telly to watch video anyway. Besides, the video feature is merely another excellent addition to an already good product. Plus it's not like folking out $30 for a UMD only to watch on the PSP either...

Kinda like how you were whoring the PSP constantly back in the day when it was being plastered by all those "gadget" mags? The addition of video is a pretty big, albeit inevitable, step for the iPod, hence it is being treated as such. Obviously, as portable devices, they are serving completely different primary consumer needs, but at the same time it is wise to compare the same things that each device does function as. In order to watch/listen to files on the PSP it is going to be extremely expensive (UMD, memory sticks required).

A fanboy lecturing another fanboy to stop being such a fanboy. Lol, nice.

Manny and DZ were sorted out by Metallix and DC respectivley, and since DZ didn't say anything against me, all I have to say on the iPod Video > PSP debate is IMO Metallix hit the nail on the head. Please get bent, Manny. Something has crawled up your arse and I don't know what it is.

Also DZ the iPod Video is new so it hasn't been in any "glossy magazines" as far as I know of. Since when was I an Apple fanboy? I have an iPod, I like the idea of a better one, and I think the widescreens are sexy. You don't make sense.

Branching off this, what is with all this fanboy stuff? A year or two ago people hated Microsoft and it was cool to support Apple because they were a relative minority, now that they have become mainstream you are considered a fanboy if you support and enjoy their products?

Next thing you know Microsoft will bring out a handheld and you will be labelled a Sony fanboy for supporting the PSP...

This is by far a text book case of tall-poppy syndrome.

I was sorted out? Hahah, oh dear. Fact remains, you can't compare the PSP with this iPod, just like your ignorant little arse did. I stand by that fact.

Despite Sony marketing the video aspects (hey, it's fucken marketing for gods sake), all of us IN THE KNOW, know that it's not a dedicated video player, like this device, and as such, it CAN'T BE COMPARED!

Nothing has crawled up my arse, you immature prat. I just don't agree with you, and have voiced that. Oh, and if you're using my comments toward hello against me in regards to that comment, I thought we all made it quite clear what was actually going on.

My point is, you're comparing this to something which is not in direct competition with it, and thus, you're giving a bias view which will always win. And that's not only bullshit, but it's wrong, because people who didn't know much about either product, will listen to your drivel as though you know what you are talking about.

Anyone who is looking for a dedicated video player will be absolutely stupid to buy a PSP when there are other products out there that do that specific function better, but the PSP IS NOT A DEDICATED VIDEO PLAYER, and thus you can't compare *frothing at the mouth*

We know it's not a dedicated video or audio player, but that's what Sony marketing it as, and Sony is trying to get into that market; which in turn means that this new iPod is taking a slice of this market that the PSP is trying to cut in on.
This means that because Sony are trying to get into the Audio/Video market they are competing with the iPod range, and this new iPod gives them a kick in the nuts in respect to the PSP in this market.

So in conclusion, the PSP is going for two markets here; the portable Video/Audio market, and the Handheld Gaming market.
Though this iPod shouldn't signifcantly hurt PSP sales because it's doing well in the handheld games market...which is were they get most of thier sales.

I'm not saying that the Audio/Video market is the PSP's main market(though their ads would say different); their main market is games.
But my point still stands.

Manny, nevertheless this iPod is an 'indirect substitute' to the PSP, that being it offers similar features at the expense of something else, i.e. the iPod offers video, music and photo as does the PSP at the expense of not being able to play games, whilst the PSP offers these features as well as gameplay at the expense of storage capacity.

Hence the products are subsitute products, you can get similar satisfaction out of both, the decision as to which one you would buy comes down to which trade off you are willing to accept, i.e. games or storage space.

Yes, it all comes down to who you are and how much you're ready to spend. I'm a gamer first and can only afford one unit, so I'd go for the PSP. I buy the PSP for games primarily, just like you would buy an iPod for music first.

You cannot compare the two portables.

Actually, teenagers aren't made of money, and if they had brains they would go for the iPod Video for it's better pricetag and features. Sure buddy, THEY AREN'T IN COMPETITION. WHATEVER. The fact is that people who aren't rolling in the green are going to choose one or the other. Not both. And the iPod should win that battle.

If they are looking for a dedicated portable video device, and choose the PSP over the iPod on that requirement alone, then they're morons.

You may say that Sony is marketing the PSP as a portable video device (which makes sense from a business perspective, as they try to dominate all markets with flashy advertising), but for us, we 'geeks' who know just what these two devices provide, it's stupid of US to make that comparison, because WE KNOW.

Do you understand what i'm saying?

Then why the hell did you put "BOOM! HEADSHOT!" in your thread description?? Asshole.

Um, you get that he was being sarcastic right?

Let's cool it with the personal attacks. If you're not mature or intelligent enough to be able to disagree with a persons arguement without attacking the actual person then perhaps you should really consider becoming a talkback radio host, but leave it out of Evolution k.

What texta said

Controversial.

Certainly as 'geeks' we can differentiate between the products more clearly, but in the mainstream market both products are indeed substitue products, i.e. they both provide you with portable entertainment but it's just a different flavour depending on which product you choose, it's like tea and coffee.

But my initial 'gripe' isn't with general consumers, and what they are lead to believe with marketing. My gripe was with Triple J using that comparison when he (as wel all) should know better. I just thought it was so childish and fanboyish to be making that comparison when we know better.

I think he makes a good point though. As different as they are, it's hard to see many people owning both.

Or maybe consider becoming an anti-gaming lawyer?
Ha ha ha!

I'll shutup now.