With MGS4 getting revealed at TGS2005, I think it would be time to make this thread to discuss the next Kojima masterpiece. Maybe even his last...

Lets get this started with this Famitsu scan:

More after TGS!

Ahhh jeez :(

This doesn't sound like it is shaping up to good to me. First off, old Snake looks terrible. I read over at Hyper that the game is meant to be set only two years after Sons of Liberty so why then is he so old?

Why more natural? I like the exclamation marks over the enemies head it is part of the style of the game. I don't like the joining sides thing either.

<_<

Why is Snake old? :(

If it's Solid Snake then it would be set a significant amount of time after MGS2.

Well, the official name has been confirmed to be MGS4: Guns of the Patriots. I think it's an awesome name!

I agree... How are Mega 64 supposed to make a parody of MGS when there's no exclamation marks... That's like taking away marios red hat... Well sorta...

EDIT: 450th post w00t!

I just hope they don't have the Locker-fapping joke with old snake.

If its 2 years after Sons of Liberty then it could be Snake in some kind of camouflage?? They should be calling him Big Boss now, it goes with his look.

http://tallah.org/video/mgs4.wmv - New trailer, Old Man Snake collapses!

Something tells me it's not set two years after MGS2, I mean, the game seems to be set in some kind of warzone involving variations of Metal Gear. :/

This is what I think. Its set 25 years after SoL in Russia/US during a war between the two countries. Some form of mini (non-nuclear armed) Metal Gear is being used to fight. You are old man Snake (Big Boss) and with the help of Otacon you work to locate the one Metal Gear (with nuclear warheads) to disarm it (this is a stealth game, remember that). You find out its in the US and that part of Russia will be blown up, so you work with the Russians to stop the US. You end up fighting your apprentice called xx Snake. You die a patriot... sorta. :P

Otacon maybe?


Metal Gear Mark II?


View through your eyepatch?


US troops with mini Metal Gears?

Maybe the parts where Snake's an old man is looking into the future from within the game... Just a thought.

Mini Metal Gears = Lamest. Robots. EVER.

The trailer on the other hand, was pretty damn awesome, and that game looks really sweet. :D



Except for the mini Metal Gears. :P

Its come to my attention now, those PS3 graphics look fucking awesome! I'd say better than X360! ;) Look at the detail on Otacon(?).

Yeah, the good thing about that screenshot, is that you can actually see polygons, texture streching and aliasing(in places), so you know that it's not some BS pre-rendered crap! :P

It still looks better than what I've seen on any 360 launch title. :P Metal Gear looks good.

Indeed it does look great graphically.

Looks fucking mad! Specially in the trailer!
Damn Konami for making this PS3-exclusive....

Why damn them, you know you want a PS3... :P

I know it is still rather early but I think this is the sole reason as to why it will be necessary for me to get a PS3. Yes, even moreso than Vision Gran Turismo. Seriously, after Snake Eater (one of, if not the best Ps2 game), I have now found a franchise that I will always be fascinated with.
This trailer and the information revealed so far only confirms my love for the franchise, Hideo and Konami. Bring it on.

I want to see the game's trailer in 720p! Just like most of the X360 trailers!

Well, I've been reading and Gamespot and they pointed out something. Snake has aged faster than Otacon. Why is that?

And also, in the TRAILER Snake injects himself. Maybe this will replace the eating from MGS3 that increases stamina, since he's very old. :unsure:

hmmm maybe he injected himself with something that made him really old...

Or maybe he injected himself with something that made him really old and now he's injecting himself with stuff to stop him from getting older or something... Reminds me of a Simpsons episode...

Principal Skinner: Milhouse? Do you like the beach?
Milhouse: Who doesn't?
Principal Skinner: Good. I want you to pick up all this medical waste that's washed up on the shore, here.
Milhouse: Ow! I pricked myself.
Principal Skinner: Well, just keep working. You'll prick yourself with the antidote sooner or later.

Isn't Snake a produce of genetic engineering? That would explain his rapid aging.

Yes he his. I think Solid and Liquid are both clones from what I can remember from MG:S. Its explained during the cutscene just before you fight Liquid on the Rex, hand to hand combat.

"Yes, twins, but we're not ordinary twins...we're twins linked by cursed genes. You're fine, you got all the old man's dominant genes, I got all the flawed, recessive genes. Everything was done so you would be the greatest of his children, the only reason I exist is so they could create you!"

I got it. I looked back at some of the conversation's they had and I got it. In MGS (on PS1) you actually playing Solid Snake who's Liquid's "brother" and also Solidus Snake's bro too. They were both made using the Super Baby Method from Big Boss' genes, they are clones. So to back track a bit...

Meta Gear: Solid -you play Solid Snake
MGS2:Sons of Liberty - you play Solid Snake
MGS3: Snake Eater - you play Naked Snake (later revealed to be Big Boss)

MGS4:Guns of the Patriots - you play Big Boss (thats why he's so old)

One more proof is that he has an eye patch. In MGS3 Snake gets his left eye busted, and the Snake in MGS4 has one too. So this could mean something, but Big Boss is supposedly in a coma.

One other option is playing as Solidus Snake who's also got an eye patch.

Isn't Liquid the one with the dominant genes? When you finish Twin Snakes and it has Ocelot talking to Solidus he mentions something like this.

No, it's Solid. Do a Google search and you'll get some info on it for sure.

Really it is Solid? I know that everything points to Solid having the dominant genes in the game, but I'm talking about the very end of the game after the credits roll, there is a point where Ocelot is talking to Solidus on the phone (no video, just the voice with the game title on the screen) and Ocelot says something to suggest that it was Liqiud afterall that was dominant, kind of like a little twist just at the end, and as Ocelot hangs up he says "goodbye Mr. President".

I cant remember exactly what Ocelot's words at that moment were though, but in that sense if Solid was the non dominant one this could explain why he aged so quickly perhaps?

You're prolly right. But is it really Solid in those MGS4 shots? It could be Big Boss. They all look alike too since thery're made from his genes. Or having the dominant genes (Solidus) doubles the aging rate?

Yeah true it might not be Solid anyway, it was Big Boss in MGS3 right?

Well my friend who's a big MGS fan says that Liquid has all the dominant genes, Solid has all the recessive ones and Solidus is a perfect clone of Big Boss (having both the dominant and recessive genes).

Remember dominant genes don't always give you the desired characteristic. e.g. in humans the gene for blue eyes is recessive.

I'm sticking to my predictions. We'll either be playing Solidus Snake or Big Boss in GotP.

I'm pretty sure it'll just be Solid Snake some time onwards. The fact that Metal Gears are walking around with soldiers suggests that this is a game set some time in the future of the MGS universe. Big Boss makes little sense for the apparant setting and the same could be said for Solidus.

Yeah, but Solid doesn't have an eyepatch.

Hmm, but then Ocelot hasn't aged much too, which is also odd.... :ph43r:

You're far too hung up on the eyepatch thing (and Ocelot has aged drastically) it doesn't even seem to be an eyepatch for the purpose you're pushing, it's pretty much a HUD.

(Furthermore the very fact Snake has Ocelot with him leads one to believe that assuming that this is Solid Snake is the right train of thought to be following. Why would Ocelot be supporting Solidus or Big Boss?)

Yes, I also thought about that too. And his name's Otacon. Sorry about the mix-up.

So that would be in line with what I was thinking, :)

You can't be playing as Big Boss because in MGS3 it was Boss's right eye that got busted, hence he wears an eyepatch on the right side. Solidus, however, lost his left eye, got an ordinary eyepatch and then died - all during the events of the Big Shell in MGS2.

Ergo, you are not playing as Solidus and you are not playing as Big Boss. This leaves one conclusion: it is Solid Snake.

My theory is that sometime fairly early (e.g. first few years after MGS2) Snake is involved in a mission where he loses his eye (this could be a sub mission like the Tanker in MGS2 or Virtuous Mission in MGS3). Then it goes forth the 25 years to when Snake is old and has the robo-eyepatch.

That works.

It's definately not Solidus, I remember we 'got his eye' during the harrier battle in mgs2.

It is probably solid snake, if you played mgs1 on ps1 you'd remember he got that fox-die virus during then, which could explain the oldness.

Liquid was the one with all the leftover genes, not solid snake.

Ooh, yeah, nice observation Iro. :thumbsup: f15, you care to elaborate on the fox-die virus. I can't recall that moment. I need to play all three games again. :/