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Title: Teacher/Student Relationships
Description: Should they be gaoled?


NismoR34 - September 10, 2005 03:55 PM (GMT)
I was listening to Triple J the other day and this very question ("Should teachers be gaoled for having a relationship with a student") was the subject. Now I wasn't sure whether I should start this topic but I found the issue to be an intriguing one and the opinions I heard on the day were all rather varied and quite interesting to hear. The variety of people who rang up was also a surprise, ranging from teachers themselves to previous students (who are now adults) who had relationships with their teachers to even a couple who are still together now but were originally in a teacher/student relationship.

So to hopefully spark some more interesting opinions on the subject, I brought it here.

What are your thoughts on teacher/student relationships as a whole. Should teachers be gaoled for their contribution to the relationship? Who should get the blame, the teacher for not 'knowing better' or the student for participating at such a young age?
Is it all okay in your books and if so, why?
A lot of us have crushes on our teachers during our schooling but has any of you actually taken that crush further?

Discuss. :)

Gnomey_g - September 10, 2005 04:05 PM (GMT)
Back when I was a tender young lad of only 17, one of my art teachers touched my ass. Ever since I've tried to convince myself that it was merely a pat to the back which landed somewhat low, but I can't help but feel that deep down, I was violated. She was a bit of a touchy feely teacher though, which is all fine and dandy, but that shit should be kept above the belt.

However, if she weren't in her 50's and unattractive, then giddy up!

Beast - September 10, 2005 07:19 PM (GMT)
Obviously it depends on the situation - mandatory sentencing is stupid in my opinion. I think being in a position of power over another person means there should be a great deal of responsibility and control. I think it's inappropriate for a teacher to get involved in a relationship with a student and I think the teacher - as the older person with expectations of responsibility is more responsible for any relationship than the student. If they should get jailed or not is another matter and as I said - depends on the situation. Clearly if the student is under the legal age of consent then a crime has been committed by the teacher and they should face the consequences of that crime. If the laws regarding age of consent are just or not is again another matter. Some would argue that mental maturity is much more of a factor than physical age - however our laws don't really take that into account.

[DZ] - September 10, 2005 09:27 PM (GMT)
My best friend at school had sex with the history teacher. We all thought it was funny. We were all 18 and in Year 12. The teacher was in her late 20's. He usually went there in the afternoon's for "study". I found it weird cos we usually went home after class and played 2P Crash Team Racing at his place. Then he started to visit her at night, then he went to a club with her and she tried to get him drunk but he didn't want to so they had a fight and on Monday in class they sending each other little messages.
She had a huge ass!

Stevorooni - September 10, 2005 11:02 PM (GMT)
Male teacher getting it on with a female student: He's a creep and should rot in gaol
Hot female teacher getting it on with a male student: He's a champ and should be cheered on! :dance:

I think in the case of where the student is at or above the age of consent, then it should be up to them whether a teacher should get punished.
I've heard of a case where a male student teacher got in a relationship with a 18 year old female student, they were only a couple of years apart in age and they're still together - yet because of what he did he'll never be able to teach again and is listed as a sex offender.
There needs to be some sort of grey area... but of course that'll never happen as it'll probably encourage students and teachers to start boning each other all the time!

[DZ] - September 10, 2005 11:09 PM (GMT)
I think its because of the old male dominates female mentality. So an adult male teacher having sex with a teen girl seems wrong while a young buck boning (and therefore dominating) his female teacher is cooler. :P

evO - September 10, 2005 11:09 PM (GMT)
I'm with Steve, although it does seem sexist. If the teacher is a male, that's just paedophilia. There are a couple of male teachers at my school who are often seen perving on the year 8-10s, which is just wrong, one of them also often says very sus things in regards to sex etc.

We also have a couple of "Hot-For-A-Teacher" teachers who are in their early-mid twenties :D.

Hello - September 10, 2005 11:17 PM (GMT)
It's strange that the 2 most recent teacher/student sex scandals have involved group sex. One bloke even had group sex with 2 schoolgirls whilst at Gallipoli - good to see the digger spirit in full flight!

This teacher/student sex thingo just shows how fake and bullshit some of society is. You put people in a position of power and they abuse it. I don't buy that "we're in love" line. It's about horny old people having sex with even hornier young people. Nothing more, and it makes me sick.

evO - September 10, 2005 11:22 PM (GMT)
So, if you had a HOT teacher that were only 2 years older than you, and she was interested, you wouldn't do anything?

Hello - September 10, 2005 11:30 PM (GMT)
Sure I would've, because I was a horny teenager. It's up to the teacher, the individual who's in the position of power, to draw the line.

Mykle - September 11, 2005 12:04 AM (GMT)
Hello - towin' the Hinch line!

I think teachers are put into a position of trust, it's that simple. They abuse it, they should be punished.

[DZ] - September 11, 2005 01:44 AM (GMT)
But what if your teacher also worked in a strip club and you only met her there "as a stripper" and not a teacher. And she wears a mask, so you actually don't know its her.

evO - September 11, 2005 02:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE ([DZ] @ Sep 11 2005, 11:44 AM)
But what if your teacher also worked in a strip club and you only met her there "as a stripper" and not a teacher. And she wears a mask, so you actually don't know its her.

Fuck away, DZ, Fuck away.

[DZ] - September 11, 2005 03:53 AM (GMT)
And what if your teacher was your mom. And one of your classmates bangs her?

borgster101 - September 11, 2005 03:57 AM (GMT)
Rather than taking this issue in the context of age differences I think it can be looked at, in a far more general form, in that people that are in a position of power over subordinates, where the person in power is required to be fair and objective to all subordinates should not be in a relationship that would put one of the subordinates at an unfair advantage to the others.

This relates to, student/teacher relationships, for instance how could the teacher that is in a relationship with a student fairly mark that students final exam, the same sort of principle applies to employee/employer relationships, how can an employer fairly work with one its employees of whom is in a relationship beyond the professional level.

Therefore, teacher/students relationships are inappropriate when the two people are in those said positions, if those positions change (i.e. graduate) then the situation is different.

evO - September 11, 2005 08:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE ([DZ)
,Sep 11 2005, 01:53 PM] And what if your teacher was your mom. And one of your classmates bangs her?

Poor him. I'd be the one paying him out, cause my mum aint a hot 20 year-old teacher :thumbsup: :lol:

[m]averick - September 11, 2005 09:47 AM (GMT)
I thought gaol wasn't an acceptable variant of jail anymore?

BrotherEstapol - September 11, 2005 09:50 AM (GMT)
Sif, Gaol's still in the dictionary. :P

[m]averick - September 11, 2005 10:02 AM (GMT)
I vaguely remember a girl being marked down in an English essay for using "gaol" instead of "jail." I wasn't really paying attention, as I am typical male stereotype who thinks women speak too often.

Texta - September 11, 2005 10:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (evO @ Sep 11 2005, 06:34 PM)
QUOTE ([DZ)
,Sep 11 2005, 01:53 PM] And what if your teacher was your mom. And one of your classmates bangs her?

Poor him. I'd be the one paying him out, cause my mum aint a hot 20 year-old teacher :thumbsup: :lol:

Dude, you're meant to make "mum" jokes about other people's mum, not your own!

evO - September 11, 2005 10:26 AM (GMT)
;).

ultracrazy1 - September 11, 2005 11:08 AM (GMT)
The head english teacher at my old school went out with a girl in the grade below me. I think they're still together actually. He'd be over 40 and she'd be around 21-22.

It started when she was 16 or 17, can't remember exactly. I think he got fired and sued either the school or the deparment of education, and I think he won (sorry I can't remember all the details too well, it was a long time ago).

ACA and today tonight have been chasing this guy for years. They've had the odd interview. My school was pretty different, most people either won't talk about it or are supportive of their relationship. The girl's parents have been made out as the bad guys because they kicked her out.

Lordage - September 11, 2005 03:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE ([m]averick @ Sep 11 2005, 08:02 PM)
I vaguely remember a girl being marked down in an English essay for using "gaol" instead of "jail." I wasn't really paying attention, as I am typical male stereotype who thinks women speak too often.

You will probably find she was marked down for using 'Jail' rather than 'Gaol.' As Gaol is the correct spelling in Australian English.

evO - September 11, 2005 10:01 PM (GMT)
Who gives a fuck which one it is? It means the same thing!

[DZ] - September 11, 2005 11:16 PM (GMT)
I thought gaol meant "hell"?

borgster101 - September 11, 2005 11:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lordage @ Sep 12 2005, 01:14 AM)
QUOTE ([m)
averick,Sep 11 2005, 08:02 PM] I vaguely remember a girl being marked down in an English essay for using "gaol" instead of "jail." I wasn't really paying attention, as I am typical male stereotype who thinks women speak too often.

You will probably find she was marked down for using 'Jail' rather than 'Gaol.' As Gaol is the correct spelling in Australian English.

Perhaps the student was marked down because she was taking an American English exam.

BrotherEstapol - September 12, 2005 08:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (evO @ Sep 12 2005, 08:01 AM)
Who gives a fuck which one it is?  It means the same thing!

Are we in America?
No.

So while we're in Australia, we'll speak English, not "American" please. :P

Manny M - September 12, 2005 09:05 AM (GMT)
Doing a hot teacher on the principles desk has always been fantasy #1 for me.

Unfortunately, it never happened, but I was close.


More power to 'em. I think it should be mandatory for sex ed teachers to bang the entire class. Now that's a lesson you'll never forget.

[DZ] - September 12, 2005 09:07 PM (GMT)
^LOL! :lol:

Estapol, if they speak American in America then you should be speaking Australian in Australia, and the English are the one's who speak the real English! :P Just a thought.

Mykle - September 13, 2005 08:05 AM (GMT)
Manny, there's a story in your post. Tell!

Stevorooni - September 13, 2005 08:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mykle @ Sep 13 2005, 06:05 PM)
Manny, there's a story in your post. Tell!

Oh please do tell!


I'll do the background porn music:


bau wicca bau wicca bau chicka bau bau...

Manny M - September 13, 2005 10:53 AM (GMT)
But i'd be violating our student-teacher confidentiality agreement.


Ok, just briefly, it was a case of a new teacher (big tits.. awesome) coming to school, and trying to be a hard ass. She made me stay back, I called her a bitch, she realised the error of her ways (really brief), totally turned, became a little too close, sexual tension was through the roof, but every time we got to a talkin', she brought up her husband and backed off a little. Same shit for a few months, then I went up into a higher class with a teacher who was just a pure slut (miniskirt and no panties ahoy), but oh so dirty. It sorta died there.

We had another teacher who wore little white skirts and black g-strings. She made a habit of bending over in front of us to pick stupid shit up off the floor. We didn't mind of course.

cd2 - September 13, 2005 10:58 AM (GMT)
Man If i had teachers like that I would of went to school more and not wagged so much.


[DZ] - September 13, 2005 09:12 PM (GMT)
Having boners in class is not good. Especially when you have a public speaking IA. :P

Beast - September 16, 2005 04:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Manny M @ Sep 13 2005, 08:53 PM)
But i'd be violating our student-teacher confidentiality agreement.


Ok, just briefly, it was a case of a new teacher (big tits.. awesome) coming to school, and trying to be a hard ass. She made me stay back, I called her a bitch, she realised the error of her ways (really brief), totally turned, became a little too close, sexual tension was through the roof, but every time we got to a talkin', she brought up her husband and backed off a little. Same shit for a few months, then I went up into a higher class with a teacher who was just a pure slut (miniskirt and no panties ahoy), but oh so dirty. It sorta died there.

We had another teacher who wore little white skirts and black g-strings. She made a habit of bending over in front of us to pick stupid shit up off the floor. We didn't mind of course.

dude. Your school is Kings Cross High? We had like one hot teacher at my school and she was my maths teacher in grade 9. Because I was a bit ahead of the rest of the class I used to just read books all lesson or make trouble.

NismoR34 - September 16, 2005 03:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE ("DZ")
Estapol, if they speak American in America then you should be speaking Australian in Australia, and the English are the one's who speak the real English!  Just a thought.


Ah, but by using 'gaol' instead of 'jail', Australian was being spoken. :P

QUOTE ("Manny")
We had another teacher who wore little white skirts and black g-strings. She made a habit of bending over in front of us to pick stupid shit up off the floor. We didn't mind of course.


We had a similar teacher at my school as well and naturally we didn't mind. It was even better when we realised that she hardly wore any bras too... :D

Anyway, to further the discussion in here more (hopefully), is it perfectly okay for a 'teacher' and a 'student' to be in a relationship (of the lust or love kind) if they only interact with each other outside of school time? Meaning they do absolutely nothing on school property? This has been rather interesting so far, I am glad I started this thread. :)


ultracrazy1 - September 16, 2005 04:44 PM (GMT)
As long as the student is legally old enough to have sex (and mature enough), and it doesn't affect the class, I say go for it.

kami - September 26, 2005 10:20 PM (GMT)
Well there is the issue that the teaher may be abusing their position and there would be a rather inherent imbalance of power.

NismoR34 - September 28, 2005 01:21 PM (GMT)
How would they be abusing their position if they aren't performing any actions within the school grounds of which their positions apply?




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