This is mostly in response to the behavior of the blacks in NOLA during the aftermath of Katrina. I have a legitimate question and my justification is below. My purpose is not to incite racial hatred here, nor to advocate racism.

First off, I'm not stating that black people are in some way genetically inferior, subhuman, etc. That's not what I'm getting at. My question is based on the fact that different cultures/races/ethnicities throughout the world have evolved/advanced at different rates.

It seems that the white man (European) has advanced at a faster rate than Africans and Native Americans. When the white men were discovering new lands (Christopher Columbus), starting the Industrial Revolution, etc. certain other groups of people (Africans and Native Americans) were not doing anything like that. They were very simple, tribal people, who had not advanced in the same ways as white people. Of course, one will argue that certain areas of Africa are now developed. However, that has been mostly because of influence from Europeans/white men.

So my theory is this. Different cultures/races have evolved and advanced at different rates. So when you take a race that was more primitive (for lack of a better world), and dump them into the modern world, problems are bound to arise. Yes, I realize that the blacks living in NOLA did not move here from Africa last week, but instead their families have been here for generations, but does that matter? Let's say for the sake of arguement, that Africa is 2,000 years (just to pick a random number) behind America in terms of evolution/advancement. What would happen if we went back in time and got a white man from 2,000 years ago, and dumped him in NOLA right now. What would happen? Or if we placed him in NOLA 400 years ago and then watched his descendants today, what would happen?

Would the change be too great? When a culture/race/ethnicity is placed into a culture/society that is far more advanced then where they originate, can we expect anything but problems?

Surprisingly enough, white communities also have problems with crime.

Furthermore, some of us originate from convicts, I know I do, does that make me more prone to robbing and killing? No.

That was the lamest thing I've ever read.

Maybe it's because the residents of NOLA are predominately poor, no?

Yet another controversial topic by Fretz, havent posted in a while, do you just wait for another moment to jump with some new 'theory' ?

Can't say I agree that your argument has much merit, considring there are many 'white people' that I would hardly consider 'evolved' or 'modern', take sports stars like Llyeton Hewitt for instance, he's more at the level of neanderthal with his constant chanting and yelling, 'Come on'!

Lol, this reminds me of the phrase: "I'm not racist, but..."

Just an interesting thought...

Nature exists in only motion. I believe complete stillness is death. So death is perfection.

No person or animal is more evolved than anything else on this planet.

Look at roaches, they are quite simple organisims compared to us, but they have actually been around longer, and have adapted throughout time so that they can exist today.

Some animals can't cope as well today due to climate and environment, like certain species of Tiger that had to inbreed in the ice age. They prbably wouldn't survive as well without human intervention.

As for the human races with black skin, many of them could be considered to have a more sustainable lifestyle than many white cultures.
For example the aboriginals knew a great deal about how to gather food, live in the desert, provide shelter and many other essential systems for life. And they did it on one of the most uninhabitable continents on the world (I've heard some say the only continent more uninhabitable than Australia is Antartica).
White settlers in Australia have lasted a bit over 200 years, and you simply can't say our way of life is better when you compare it to the tens of thousands of years that Aboriginals lived here.

As for black people in New Orleans, you are talking specifically about poor black people right? Do you think the actions of individuals in New Orleans is indicative of all black people in America? Do you think highly educated rich black Americans would loot houses, or refuse to be rescued?

I really can't see where you get this theory from. Surely you are aware that many black Americans become doctors, lawyers and scientists. I suggest that until you write a thesis on the evolution of the haman brain in different cultures and the psycological effects on how different ethnicities grow up in different countries, you keep your thoughts to yourself to avoid being seen as a stupid racist dickhead. You haven't thought this through, you're simply looking for more individuals who share your stupid beliefs. I sincerely hope you get beaten until you learn some common sense.

I have a feeling Fretz's theory can be summed up by saying "The poor black people have evolved less than the rich white people".

I think Fretz is talking about technologically evolved, and the standard of health/living.

In addition to what has been said (I won't reiterate the impact of enviromental focuses):

Its also important to distinguish between development and evolution. Although white cultures have developed faster, they have not evolved faster. 'Evolution' in recent history (the last few thousand years) is more a case of the economic and social success of societies. The minor developments we (may) be making through evolution are overshadowed by our ability to pass on knowledge and resources across generations.

As to the question; "so why were white people more successful many years ago?". Well, keep in mind the differences in enviroment back then. The Blacks typically evolved under harsh and barren lands, like Africa and Australia. This is expressed in very colour of their skin (ever seen a black person get sunburned?). Whites developed in colder areas that were typically more fertile and better suited to cultural development. White development started with settlement and agriculture, both of which require fertile soil. Black development required them to be on the move, as soil was rarely good enough to start a society.

Finally, intelligence is a very western social construct. As such you're looking at the world through coloured lens. To describe peaceful and nomadic cultures as "primitive"; a word that carries distinct connotations of less worth, is not fair. It could definetly be argued that the affinity with the earth and balance that these cultures had made them far, far more developed than the reckless self-indulged western culture that sorrounds us today.

You, my friend, are now another drone of the liberal U.S. media. The problem [in New Orleans] is not racial, it's ideological. The problem has never been with their blood and colour, but rather their shared welfare ideology.

Caucasians are the most evolved?

Your argument is as fallacious as his. Case examples = poor epistemology.

Really, lets give him the benefit of the doubt and presume his question isn't just a vain attempt to justify racism. As such, lets not have our replies being motivated by political correctness.

Yeah look, I'm gonna stick with the poor epistemology if it's all the same.

Afraid of change?

A basic understanding of argumentative logic really helps people appreciate your point. Otherwise, you'll just get people just like you replying with pictures of O.J. Simpson, and nothing will go anywhere.

Afraid of change?

No.

Merely a side effect of having a life outside of the internet.

:rolleyes:

Don't even know why I bother :P

Those pictures really have nothing to do with anything. Those are signs of development and technological advance. Of course, it depends on what kind of "Evolution" Fretz is talking about. If he means physically and mentally then, well, we are probably all around about the same stage. Technologically, however, Blacks are slightly behind. This could be due to the fact that they have NOT been given the same opportunites and options, in most cases.

Evo, I don't think he did mean technologically evolved, because both white and black people are under the same health system in the US, when helicopters come in and rescue people from their rooftops they don't collect all the white people first, and there are black engineers in the US.

As for health and standard of living, thats a wealth issue, not a race issue.

Now all Fretz has done is make sweeping statements about white people being more advanced and evolved, and he hasn't given us his definitions or backed up that statement at all. I was pointing out that in many ways black people are more advanced and evolved, so he better clarify what he means pretty quick.

So I'm guessing that most of us are unsure whether black or white Americans are more evolved than one another. And I think arguing that point is rediculous. Let idiots like Fretz ponder who is more evolved. I'd prefer to think about who has more access to wealth, health, information and opportunity. Then we'll see if black and white Americans are equal or not.

With regard to New Orleans, I think the disturbing images are more to do with how long it took for help to arrive, and how the authorities dealt with the crime. Black and white people needed help, and crime is not exclusive to black people.

I'm not convinced that black people commit more crimes than white people, and I'm certainly not convinced that they are less evolved. And guys, please don't put words in Fretz's mouth or do his arguing for him. He may convince me that black culture had something to do with what happened in new orleans if he goes about it the right way, but personally I think it had more to do with the city's coping mechanisms for stopping the flood, emptying the city of water, evacuating citizens, and preventing crime. The government was at fault here, at all levels. As for the crimes committed such as theft, murder, and rape, those individuals should be personally responsible, and an entire race should not be blamed for the actions of a few. You don't comdemn all white people everytime a white person steals, kills or rapes do you?

I'm with you UC1, but i really aint going to type a post that long :P.

I think that this whole hurricane/looting/disaster proves that there are some issues affecting blacks - not necessarily because they are have brown skin, but because conditions in their communities tend to be different in terms of economics, poverty levels, joblessness, crime, quality of schools and housing, etc that are different from the issues other people face, and maybe even surprising to other people when they realize that conditions are so different or bad. At a minimum, people seem to agree that black voters see themselves as having unique interests, whether others want to recognize the interests as legitimate or not.

Of course, its also a tactic to use that as a rhetorical question and imply that the interests of black voters are no different from the interests of other voters, but if the black voters tend to be disproportionately poor, etc. its kind of hard to say that their interests are the same as everyone else's.

Do you think if New Orleans were 70% white we would have as many problems as we're seeing there now?

Honestly, no joke, no racism, truthful answer: If i'm in a natural disaster, and near a bunch of blacks, i'm running. That's God's honest truth, I've learned what happens to a mob of blacks during a natural disaster.

What exactally?

And by blacks to you mean a group of African-Americans in Mississippi? A group of African-English in Essex? A group of Aboriginals in Darwin? A group of Africans in (!) Africa?

Just to clarify, I meant that I go online to not think.

That's why I like Evo! :P

And yes Syt, dont bother...you're fighting Fretz's stupidity and my laziness...and stupidity.

Just to clarify something.

Apart from the obvious racism of your "thought" - it's now become clear that the "violence" and "anarchy" originally reported around New Orleans was mainly false and may not have occured at all. It goes to show as usual that it's stupid to assume that "reported violence etc." is the same as an actual event occuring - especially when dealing with the US media - fall of Saddam statue? Private Jessica Ryan? etc.