Title: Batman Begins
Description: The best Batman film ever?
~DC - June 12, 2005 07:53 AM (GMT)
Well I'm sure most of you guys would have heard about, or saw the trailers, advertising the new Batman film. I wasn't really all that interested until the last month or so, especially after wasting money going to see the horror that was Batman and Robin. It has been co-written and directed by Christopher Nolan, the mastermind behind Memento and Insomnia, and has been said to rely more on character development rather than flash-bang special effects, although with a budget of around $150 million you can bet they're still in there. I'm really excited to see Nolan's take on the franchise and believe if anyone is bound to turn the Batman series around it is him.
Anyway, it is due out on the 16th and below is snipppets from a review.
| QUOTE (Excerpts from EMANUELLEVY.COM) |
“Batman Begins” explores the origins of the Batman legend and the Dark Knight’s emergence as a force for good. A character-driven adventure, it represents the first full telling of how Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, detailing how and why he acquires the manners, skills, and tools to create his intimidating alter ego.
That theses characters are played by the most accomplished actors working in cinema today, including Liam Neeson, Michael Caine, Tom Wilkinson, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, and Ken Watanabe, certainly elevates the film to another plateau. But these wonderful actors also expose the acting limitations and lack of charismatic presence of its lead hero, Christian Bale.
Nolan’s taut and provocative psychological thrillers (“Memento,” “Insomnia”) have established him as a new talent with a keen sense of character and a remarkably assured directing style. Not surprisingly, given that Nolan’s films are imbued with noir sensibility and visuals, “Batman Begins” is dark, violent, and decidedly less campy and humorous than the previous Batmans. “Batman Begins” is film noir par excellence, with all the motifs that define this genre: guilt, pain, loss, impact of the past on the presence, and so on.
It would be unfair to claim that Nolan has drained out completely the fun of the beloved series, but he has certainly changed its nature and meaning. This Batman is the most serious of the five films, and it begs the audience to take it seriously, too.
Conceptually, Nolan thinks of “Batman Begins” as an epic-adventure in the vein of “Lawrence of Arabia,” “The Man Who Would Be King, “Blade Runner,” and “James Bond, rather than “Spider-Man” or “The Hulk.” Nolan’s psychologistic-realistic philosophy is applied to every aspect of the story. For better or worse) I think for worse), “Batman Begins” offers a logical explanation for everything that Bruce does and for every device he acquires, including the Batmobile. Whenever a new gadget or tool is introduced, viewers are treated to lengthy exposition of its history, use and abuse, status of production, etc. |
quartz_donkey - June 12, 2005 08:02 AM (GMT)
Well you see story wise it's meant to draw heavily from Batman:Year one by Frank Miller, which is awsome cause it's a great story(In the trailer I've seen a bit pulled straight from it). And the Batmoblie looks a hell of a lot like the one from The Dark Knight Returns also by Frank Miller.
In short they're copying Frank Miller so it should be pretty darn good.
thebigm - June 12, 2005 08:04 AM (GMT)
Sounds interesting and with the recent amount of good super hero films, I for one can't wait and hope this sets the pinnacle for all to follow.
Hello - June 12, 2005 08:12 AM (GMT)
Yeah, I think the preview of Batman Begins is very deceptive. Seems to be all big gadgets, and a lot of jumping around. From the reviews, though, seemingly the actual film will play out entirely differently. Can't wait. Batman Returns is one of my fave films of all time, so hopefully this is similar to that, if not better.
[DZ] - June 12, 2005 08:29 AM (GMT)
Thankgod they fixed that damned mask and wuit! It looked so rigid and plastic in past movies. I can't wait for this! I loved Batman, finally something to kill time again (incl F4) before 2007's Spidey 3.
~DC - June 12, 2005 08:42 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hello @ Jun 12 2005, 06:12 PM) |
| Yeah, I think the preview of Batman Begins is very deceptive. Seems to be all big gadgets, and a lot of jumping around. From the reviews, though, seemingly the actual film will play out entirely differently. Can't wait. Batman Returns is one of my fave films of all time, so hopefully this is similar to that, if not better. |
Yeah, that is the inital impression I got. All signs point to this film being up there with the ones directed by Burton though. ;)
borgster101 - June 14, 2005 03:47 AM (GMT)
I've been a Batman fan since I was a kid, and I'm very excited about Batman Begins, looks to be up there or even surpass the Burton films, which is great :D .
I saw a preview on Foxtel where the director Nolan, stressed that the film shouldnt be connected with the previous films, hell it's not even really a prequal to those films, rather it is a new story, a rebirth of the franchise, hence 'Batman Begins', it will be interesting to see how they explain where Batman got all his gear from and why he becomes the Dark Knight :) .
I too, wasn't thinking much about the film, since the last film was horrible, but after seeing and reading a bit more about it, I'm excited and I think I'm not going to be disapointed.
HamburgerTrain - June 14, 2005 05:43 AM (GMT)
This looks to be a good movie, it's rare for me to be excited waiting for a movie to come out - they're usually dissapointments but I've heard of nothing but positive reviews of it so far. The trailers look good as well.
I'm also glad they're making the movie kind of dark and making it about the characters and story development rather than just concentrating on the CG effects (see Spiderman, Hulk, etc..). Great actors in it too, Christian Bale is perfect for the lead role.
The original Batman (1989) was killer, my favourite movie when I was a kid, I hope Batman Begins can stand up to it too.
Loach - June 14, 2005 12:53 PM (GMT)
Looks freaking awesome in my opinion. I'm so impressed that they didn't let the last few Batman movies destroy this character! Must have been a bit daunting to undertake what people would perceive as a sequel to the last one.
I was actually sitting outside the premier on the weekend. I saw the new Batmobile/Rumbler rolling around on the red carpet for about 30 minutes and got bored and went to have a hot chocolate. I didn't realise that virtually all the stars (including Christian Bale) were there while I was sitting in the cafe. I thought they'd be at an American premier or something!
Anyway I'd just come out of Sin City and it was freaking awesome. If I'm not mistaken it was based on Frank Miller graphic novels too, so I'm now even more happy to read in this thread that Batman Begins is tied to him too.
kami - June 15, 2005 11:43 AM (GMT)
I still don't quite get what was so wrong about Batman and Robin, though I do like the way this movie is going. Particularly reading the comics where the use of fear as a weapon tends to be one of the more important aspects, which got quite overlooked in the films.
I have one movie money voucher left saved for this film.
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| I was actually sitting outside the premier on the weekend. I saw the new Batmobile/Rumbler rolling around on the red carpet for about 30 minutes and got bored and went to have a hot chocolate. I didn't realise that virtually all the stars (including Christian Bale) were there while I was sitting in the cafe. I thought they'd be at an American premier or something! |
I had the impression that not too many actors actually sit through their premiers either because they dont' want to see how they turned out because they know they'll start nitpicking, or they just don't want to see the film for the upteenth time.
~DC - June 15, 2005 12:07 PM (GMT)
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| I still don't quite get what was so wrong about Batman and Robin |
There was too much of emphasis placed on the villians and the sheer stupidity of the batman suit, which had nipple marks for crying out loud! :P
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| I had the impression that not too many actors actually sit through their premiers either because they dont' want to see how they turned out because they know they'll start nitpicking, or they just don't want to see the film for the upteenth time. |
A lot of the time actors don't actually see the film completely until it is shown at the premiers.
kami - June 15, 2005 12:18 PM (GMT)
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| There was too much of emphasis placed on the villians and the sheer stupidity of the batman suit, which had nipple marks for crying out loud! |
The impresion I had was that much of Batman started out as having more of an emphasis on the villains. You could probably even say that about the TV series too. Personally I found it rather entertaining enough.
~DC - June 15, 2005 12:47 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (kami @ Jun 15 2005, 10:18 PM) |
| QUOTE | | There was too much of emphasis placed on the villians and the sheer stupidity of the batman suit, which had nipple marks for crying out loud! |
The impresion I had was that much of Batman started out as having more of an emphasis on the villains. You could probably even say that about the TV series too. Personally I found it rather entertaining enough.
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Perhaps, but the villians in B&R were pitiful anyway. Wasn't Arnie an Ice Man or something absurd in it?
Loach - June 16, 2005 02:46 PM (GMT)
I watched the one with Riddler and Two Face in it on the weekend (Batman Forever?) as it was on TV. It was really crap.
In Batman, Gotham was actually gothic. In the later ones it becomes a city of neon and crap. Admittedly there are still gothic structures, but it's like they tried to make it too cartoony. Jim Carey was dancing around like an idiot (I was surprised how crap he was actually considering I like some of his movies). Compare that with the psychotic evil of the Joker.
From memory, Batman & Robin was much worse than Batman Forever.
Well I'm seeing the new one tonight, so fingers crossed!
Oh and I don't know if they actually watched the movie, all I know is that they were signing autographs for about an hour. I'm guessing they did watch it though because as was previously mentioned, it is often the first time they see the full thing.
I realised last night that it was here because the guy behind it is British not American.
taprod - June 17, 2005 02:31 AM (GMT)
The new one was f**king awsome. What I like the most about it is that it completely disregarded the other crappy Batman films. From the ending it looks as though they are setting up a sequel too.
Loach - June 17, 2005 11:57 AM (GMT)
I read that Bale has signed up for two sequels, so I guess if this does well we can expect one. I'd be surprised if they did the villian suggested at the end of the movie though. But I've been surprised before.
Hello - June 18, 2005 01:53 AM (GMT)
This movie was awesome, and probably the best I've seen in a long time. Think all the stuff people praised Spiderman for and then times it by 100. Everything just fitted together so perfectly. Bale was spot on as Batman, and the Scarecrow was the best villan since The Joker. If you like a film in which you don't have to think too much, but can still completely lose yourself in the story, then you must see this. Proves that "stupid" films can be so damn clever. I compare it to Half Life, in a way, because it's obvious that the screenwriter has thought through every little detail so as to make the movie going experience as real as possible.
5/5
Gio - June 18, 2005 03:30 AM (GMT)
I liked the one with Jim Carey =)
I saw the original Batman yesterday, with the joker, that was good too.
quartz_donkey - June 18, 2005 05:31 AM (GMT)
Saw this yesterday in gold class, so no kids yay(Gold Class is 17 bucks before 5 on a weekday an extra 2.70 for me so worth it, not worth the 33.70 on a friday or saturday night after 7 though).
As a comic book fan, this movies was awsome, they changed things just a little bit to have some surpirises for the scary fans. I really like how he got angry as Batman, and how he dissappears in the middle of conversations, just like in the comic. I even like how the whole Rachel thing was played out as it was the only thing I'd thought I'd dislike.
100 times better then Spiderman? Well only if you like Batman 100 times more as a character.
good stuff
borrowing Buzzsaw Bettys rating system I give it: "So good I flashed my tits at it."
borgster101 - June 18, 2005 08:47 AM (GMT)
Sounds great, I'll be heading down to cinema to watch it once I've finished exams, which will be next week, it hurts to wait, but exams need focus for now..
kami - June 20, 2005 07:31 AM (GMT)
The only part that really stuck out for me though was:
SPOILER
That microwave machine thing. I wonder if anyone told the script writers that our bodies contain quite a lot of water...
JJJames7 - June 20, 2005 12:00 PM (GMT)
Why'd you edit it Kami? You already warned of a spoiler.
Anyway, I saw this film yesterday because it was the only thing on at the time, and I must say I enjoyed it. I have never been a Batman film and have never seen any of the movies, but I liked this one alot for some reason. I was never into superheros.
Can anyone please list all the Batman movies, as in the modern ones, not the 20 year old ones (if there are any)? The ones with some relevance to Batman Begins. Some people have mentioned Batman Forever?
By the way, how the hell does Robin fit into all of this? He wasn't even in Batman Begins!
thebigm - June 20, 2005 12:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JJJames7 @ Jun 20 2005, 10:00 PM) |
Why'd you edit it Kami? You already warned of a spoiler.
Anyway, I saw this film yesterday because it was the only thing on at the time, and I must say I enjoyed it. I have never been a Batman film and have never seen any of the movies, but I liked this one alot for some reason. I was never into superheros.
Can anyone please list all the Batman movies, as in the modern ones, not the 20 year old ones (if there are any)? The ones with some relevance to Batman Begins. Some people have mentioned Batman Forever?
By the way, how the hell does Robin fit into all of this? He wasn't even in Batman Begins! |
Batman Begins is the beggining of it all...
It does away with any relevance that Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever and and Batman and Robin have.
Hello - June 20, 2005 08:23 PM (GMT)
JJJames7: Watch Batman, and then Batman Returns, and then etc. Don't start at Batman Forever, because it's shit, and you won't want to watch the 1st two. The 1st two, directed by Tim Burton, are up there with Batman Begins.
HamburgerTrain - June 21, 2005 06:37 AM (GMT)
I just heard Christian Bale signed up for another two batman movies.
That's good news if it's true and if they make one with The Joker again...(Jack Nicholson playing the part of course), it would rule even more.
quartz_donkey - June 21, 2005 09:17 AM (GMT)
Hello's right. Also read Batman: Year One it's awsome. You might be able to find it in a library, other wise you should be able to buy it for twenty bucks or less. I'm not going to tell you it's better then the movie, cause it's not, and it's different but it does have more detail on some things like Jim Gordon.
kami - June 21, 2005 10:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JJJames7 @ Jun 20 2005, 11:00 PM) |
Why'd you edit it Kami? You already warned of a spoiler.
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It seems that colour does not have a U in it.
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| By the way, how the hell does Robin fit into all of this? He wasn't even in Batman Begins! |
I'm assuming that if Robin comes in at all, it'll be in a later film. And if the next ones maintain their rather darkish theme, I think Robin might be a tad inappropriate.
Comrade Natrak - June 21, 2005 10:53 AM (GMT)
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| That microwave machine thing. I wonder if anyone told the script writers that our bodies contain quite a lot of water... |
Yes, but not as much as the amount in a city's water system. <_<
Hello - June 21, 2005 10:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Comrade Natrak @ Jun 21 2005, 09:53 PM) |
| QUOTE | | That microwave machine thing. I wonder if anyone told the script writers that our bodies contain quite a lot of water... |
Yes, but not as much as the amount in a city's water system. <_<
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Here's another problem with the film: A man will not be able to jump really high just because he wears a cape :D
Manny M - June 22, 2005 12:51 AM (GMT)
He aint jumping, it's his grappling hook, which he seems to set up and deploy with inhuman speed...
Anyway, saw this last saturday, and I really enjoyed it. They succeeded in making Batman a human, to the point that you actually felt worried that he'd easily get his arsed kicked. I thought that was a great angle.
Also, gotta love the way they ended it, they couldn't have finished with a better analogy.
kami - June 22, 2005 09:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Comrade Natrak @ Jun 21 2005, 09:53 PM) |
| QUOTE | | That microwave machine thing. I wonder if anyone told the script writers that our bodies contain quite a lot of water... |
Yes, but not as much as the amount in a city's water system. <_<
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Nevertheless, if it vapourises water, quite a few people shoud have exploded/dehydrated, particularly those standing next to it whilst it was running (unless Batman's suit has a foil covering) ^_^
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| Here's another problem with the film: A man will not be able to jump really high just because he wears a cape |
Well, when he's jumping off a building I believe an electric current is sent through the cape to make it conform to a certain shape to form a glider/parachute; so he's more "base jumping" than anything.
_MetalliX_ - June 22, 2005 10:42 AM (GMT)
MINOR SPOILERS
Just saw Beyond Tomorrow on Channel 7 and if you think the technology behind Batman's cape was a bit far fetched, think again. They were using very similar electric current influenced fabrics in a new-age space suit.
I thought the movie was great, especially how it brought out a much darker side of Batman. He really did come into his own. I thought the Super Villain wasn't all that exciting, and I especially disliked how easily the mob boss was brought to justice. By the scenes where we saw Batman through the eyes of the hallucnagen were simply awe-inspiring. All up a great movie which I would most definitely rate as an equal, if not higher than Spiderman.
Yug - June 22, 2005 01:19 PM (GMT)
Yup yup, I thought it was great, although it didn't have to try too hard to be better than the last 2 movies in the Batman franchise. I just like how Nolan went to so much effort to make every aspect of Batman even slightly believable, explaining his cape and reason for dressing up as a bat even.
There's no way Jack Nicholson will be the Joker in the next movie, it would be cool but it just wont happen. It will be tough for whoever fills the roll to live up to Jack Nicholson thats for sure.
Plus, Chris Nolan has to direct the sequals, otherwise we might have another X-Men 3 on our hands ...
~DC - June 22, 2005 01:30 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Yug @ Jun 22 2005, 11:19 PM) |
| Plus, Chris Nolan has to direct the sequals, otherwise we might have another X-Men 3 on our hands ... |
True, that. I can't praise the guy enough, first Memento, then Insomnia, now this.
Hello - June 22, 2005 10:01 PM (GMT)
I think Robin Williams would be OK as the joker. He can play wacky, but he's got a very dark side, as well.
~DC - June 23, 2005 12:05 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hello @ Jun 23 2005, 08:01 AM) |
| I think Robin Williams would be OK as the joker. He can play wacky, but he's got a very dark side, as well. |
Yeah, definitely. I thought of him last night after that question was raised, because Nicholson is certainly too old to play the part again.
Comrade Natrak - June 23, 2005 03:17 AM (GMT)
I think I'd rather see an unknown character actor play the Joker than anyone hugely recognisable. It worked incredibly well for Scarecrow, and I think, providing they cast another good actor, it could work just as well for the Joker.
borgster101 - June 23, 2005 10:40 AM (GMT)
Argh, I still havent seen it, thanks for warning on the spoilers guys :thumbsup: , just one more exam to go...
Loach - June 23, 2005 11:00 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (kami @ Jun 22 2005, 07:11 PM) |
| Nevertheless, if it vapourises water, quite a few people shoud have exploded/dehydrated, particularly those standing next to it whilst it was running (unless Batman's suit has a foil covering) ^_^ |
They did say that it was highly concentrated or something similar that suggested that it could be aimed like a laser, so that people around it wouldn't be hit by the microwaves.
And on another note
Am I the only one who hopes they don't have the Joker in the next one? There must be plenty of villains in the Batman world they can use. I saw the end of the movie as being more like when they have that one armed "lizard" guy and the astronaut in Spiderman. No significance to the movies, just a little reference for the fans.
kami - June 25, 2005 09:35 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Loach @ Jun 23 2005, 10:00 PM) |
| QUOTE (kami @ Jun 22 2005, 07:11 PM) | | Nevertheless, if it vapourises water, quite a few people shoud have exploded/dehydrated, particularly those standing next to it whilst it was running (unless Batman's suit has a foil covering) ^_^ |
They did say that it was highly concentrated or something similar that suggested that it could be aimed like a laser, so that people around it wouldn't be hit by the microwaves.
And on another note Am I the only one who hopes they don't have the Joker in the next one? There must be plenty of villains in the Batman world they can use. I saw the end of the movie as being more like when they have that one armed "lizard" guy and the astronaut in Spiderman. No significance to the movies, just a little reference for the fans.
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If that were the case, it wouldn't have been evaporating all the water everywhere it went. The impression it gave was that if there was a body of water nearby, it'd evaporate. Not to mention that it would mean they'd have to aim it; something that would be difficult to do on a train.
Though it might be interesting if they did two-face and loosely followed the comics with Dent and Batman teaming up initially..