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Title: Which is the greatest Mario platform game?
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Hello - March 1, 2005 07:25 AM (GMT)
I purposefully left off Super Mario Bros 2 because it eats balls, and I knew that nobody would vote for it anyways :D

I vote for SMB3 because it kicks arse. Warp whistles, secrets, good tunes, clever level design (especially world 7) etc.

Super Mario Sunshine is my 2nd fave, because it was completely non-linear and you could do what you please. Collecting all the coins - blue and yellow and red - was a great little add-on and even more fun than the actual episodes. Many, many secrets, too!

Buffoon - March 1, 2005 07:49 AM (GMT)
Mario 64 gets my vote, partially because it was so revolutionary in that it was the first 3D platformer that really worked, partially because it was simply a quality game.

I'd like to point out, though, that in the great scheme of things, Mario has never been one of my favourite series of games.

Hello - March 1, 2005 08:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Buffoon @ Mar 1 2005, 06:49 PM)
Mario 64 gets my vote, partially because it was so revolutionary in that it was the first 3D platformer that really worked, partially because it was simply a quality game.

I'd like to point out, though, that in the great scheme of things, Mario has never been one of my favourite series of games.

Mario 64 is the only Mario game that I haven't clocked - for whatever reason, I just couldn't get into it.

I've been replaying Mario All-Stars on my SNES, except for Mario Bros 2, and it's emphasised to me, once again, just how great the Mario series is. The gameplay and enjoyment is second to none, in my opinion.


Sybatical - March 1, 2005 08:08 AM (GMT)
Super Mario 64.

Best Game Ever... (Followed by OoT, Then Halo 2 :P)

~DC - March 1, 2005 08:28 AM (GMT)
I agree, Mario 64 is without question my favourite videogame ever and probably the most revolutionary I've ever played.

markymark - March 1, 2005 08:33 AM (GMT)
it's a toss up between world and 64 for me, but i have to go with world. i don't think i've played any other video game as much as i've played that one. i still remember going down to grace bros on thursday afternoons and playing it for as long as i could before getting kicked off by the older kids. all the time painstakingly saving all my pocket money to buy a snes... great times :D

mario 64 was an amazing highlight, as was 3, but in the end didn't leave as much of a crater in my life as world. sunshine was way down the scale in my opinion... quality game, but not quite 'mario' quality. smb1 is classic but pretty annoying to play these days, and to my shame, i never really played yoshi's island.

Hello - March 1, 2005 08:33 AM (GMT)
The best secret in video game history was the Star World in Super Mario World. I felt like a God when me and my bro stumbled across it.

~DC - March 1, 2005 08:37 AM (GMT)
The DKC series on the SNES had some pretty rocking secret worlds too, in particular the sequel.

Eyce - March 1, 2005 08:50 AM (GMT)
Who voted Mario Sunshine?!?!?

ElPresidente - March 1, 2005 09:40 AM (GMT)
Well I didn't make the first vote but I certainly made the second.

Replaying Mario 64 on the DS is making me realise how much more intuitive the Gamecube Mario was in comparison. More engaging worlds, more enjoyable tasks to complete, more exciting discoveries, more enjoyable bosses.

markymark - March 1, 2005 10:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hello @ Mar 1 2005, 06:33 PM)
The best secret in video game history was the Star World in Super Mario World. I felt like a God when me and my bro stumbled across it.

whatchoo talkin' bout?

Comrade Natrak - March 1, 2005 11:03 AM (GMT)
I voted for Super Mario Sunshine. Mario 64 was revolutionary, and great fun to play, but SMS just took it a step further. As far as I'm concerned Super Mario Sunshine doesn't deserve the amount of flak it cops from the wider gaming community, it's a fine game and controls like a dream.

Cubeoid - March 1, 2005 11:05 AM (GMT)
I'm voting for Mario Sunshine peoples. I found it to be much more enjoyable than Mario 64. I loved using the waterpack, the game world felt so lush and alive and the sky levels where you had the pack taken away from you were so uber fun.

ElPresidente - March 1, 2005 11:11 AM (GMT)
I honestly feel the wow factor of Mario 64 gets in the way of a lot of people's enjoyment of Sunshine. You can't expect to make such an impressive leap as the one from 2D to 3D in every game.

Gio - March 1, 2005 11:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ElPresidente @ Mar 1 2005, 10:11 PM)
I honestly feel the wow factor of Mario 64 gets in the way of a lot of people's enjoyment of Sunshine. You can't expect to make such an impressive leap as the one from 2D to 3D in every game.

Maybe that's one of the factors a bit of Zelda fans didn't like Windwaker? But that's for another discussion. :P

Back on topic:
In my humble opinion, Super Mario 64 is bested by no other Mario game, or infact ANY game. Ah, I still remember the first time I actually bet the Bob-omb King (I was 6, okay?! :P), and the first Time hearing that cool Bowser music. And that monkey!. Good times. ^_^

So now you can all see why I want to play Super Mario 64 DS? Eh, wot? :whistling:

~DC - March 1, 2005 11:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ElPresidente @ Mar 1 2005, 09:11 PM)
I honestly feel the wow factor of Mario 64 gets in the way of a lot of people's enjoyment of Sunshine. You can't expect to make such an impressive leap as the one from 2D to 3D in every game.

They could have taken time to fix the camera, especially considering that was easily the biggest flaw in the N64 iteration.

Cubeoid - March 1, 2005 12:52 PM (GMT)
But it was still a flaw in both. Whilst they mighten have fixed the camera they certainly improved the level design among other things. There was much more vairety in Sunshine. Also the gameplay dynamics with the waterpack was a great idea. Not only was it new but it meant that when the pack was taken away, things became even more exciting and challenging.

Add on to this much more fun game world within which to work and Sunshine no doubt tops Mario 64 despite the niggly little camera system. Besides almost every game of that nature will have camera problems of some kind.

DJ-Civic - March 1, 2005 02:22 PM (GMT)
I was going to vote for Mario 64, but I think OOT is my all-time favourite 2D-to-3D shift, so I voted for Super Mario World.

NismoR34 - March 1, 2005 02:37 PM (GMT)
To be honest, I don't rate the Mario franchise too highly. The games within this franchise are great, don't get me wrong, but I just find that I can only play them every so often.

With that said, my enjoyment of Super Mario 64 was so high that it compelled me to finish it with 120 stars. No other Mario game that I have played has been enjoyable enough for me to finish 100%, so Super Mario 64 gets my vote.

If I had more time to play Super Mario Sunshine back when I hired it, then it definitely could be receiving the vote instead. I still need to get that game...

Naclj - March 1, 2005 05:11 PM (GMT)
this was a hard one for me.

i had played mario 1 and 3 before i had a nintendo console of my own.

i actualy liked sonic more at the time hehehehe, mario 3 was awsome and changed my sonic view, i still remember the frog suit with the fondest of memories.

but i never owned them so i didn tplay them all that much.

to this day i still havent got past the first world in mario world.

then came mario 64.

the game that got me an N64 my first nintendo console.

if it wasnt for m64 id have a saturn (which would have sucked 4 me)
however it was oot that truely forever changed how i judge video games so i was actualy thinking about not voting for m64.

mario sunshine, had some problems but you know what, i still finished it with a smile on my face the whole way through.

the levels were huge and fun to explore, the controls were perfect (the camera was not) however i found the game too repeditive, especialy the bosses, some were awsome but if i have to pull another damn tentacle off of that squid then im gonna have to kill mario.
the game was chalenging at points but overall i found the levels to similar. more levels and a bit more variety in the settings and sunshine might have got the vote.

the toss up was actualy between m64 and yoshis island.

i conpletely missed it on the snes so it wasnt till the gba version that i got a chance to play what i consider to be the best 2d platformer.

i loved it so damn much that i was achamed i hadnt played it on its original home. the level design was brilliant and incredibly varied (unlike sunshine)
the bosses were fun and new, the egg tossing was great. there is nothing i dont like about yoshi's island which is why it was so hard to vote for m64 purely and simply because when i played it i was mostly new to games and it had a huge wow factor and was seriously fun.
best game ever hell no that still belongs to oot for me
best mario platformer no as well
best memories from a mario platformer YEP and thats what won

ps damn that was a long reply sorry

StompBrother - March 1, 2005 06:09 PM (GMT)
Yeppers. Yoshi's Island gets my vote. Best 2D platformer ever. Every twist and every possible platform variation is explored in Yoshi's Island. It also had one of teh most engaging universe in a game with an encyclopedia of enemies adn a new idea per level. Let's not forget those super hard Extra Levels, especially that frustrating monkey one! AAAARGH!

The 3D platformer in my opinion is still young. The platforming is still basic and a little too automatic to be given best platformer. A little more experimentation and a total implementation of space and physical objects can be supercharged to create worlds as mesmerizing and satisfyingly perplexing. Like how Yoshi's Island was. I'm glad I still own the original SNES version (mint) and not the GBA port of it which to keep dimensions intact had to cull the display.

Quite simply. Yoshi's Island is the best platformer ever created. 2D or 3D.

-Stompy

markymark - March 2, 2005 01:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (NismoR34 @ Mar 2 2005, 12:37 AM)
With that said, my enjoyment of Super Mario 64 was so high that it compelled me to finish it with 120 stars. No other Mario game that I have played has been enjoyable enough for me to finish 100%, so Super Mario 64 gets my vote.

actually, that's the reason i have to say i prefer sm64 to sunshine. i was actually bothered to get all the stars. but with sunshine, after i'd finished it, there was no compulsion at all to find the rest of the sprites. i guess one could say that nowadays i'm older and more lazy, but playing through 64 ds, i'm keen once again to go and find all 150 of the stars. so i figure that there is something about 64 that makes it a more enjoyable game for me.

KickyFunkFresh - March 2, 2005 08:54 AM (GMT)
Yoshi's Island, if only for the art direction.

Huss_GTR - March 2, 2005 12:38 PM (GMT)
Mario bros 3 all the way.

Best Mario game EVER!!

all you n00b game players who played mario 64 first. A pox on you all!!

NismoR34 - March 2, 2005 02:54 PM (GMT)
Shut up Huss, what would you know about which game we played first? :P

ElPresidente - March 2, 2005 09:35 PM (GMT)
Pffft... I played Donky Kong and Mario Bros before the super even entered the franchise name so screw you all. :P

[DZ] - March 2, 2005 10:18 PM (GMT)
Super Mario World without a doubt. :D I loved that game! Nice colorful worlds and the tunes are still stuck in my head. I love this game. (Not the NBA, SMW)

Second would have to be Sunshine, I never got to complete it cos my friend sorta fucking died and his cube too. Bastard. Anyway, I loved it, I liked the worlds like any other Miyamoto game, colorful, huge, lotsa secrets, imaginative. The music and voice acting was forgettable though. :P Toad is so gay.

And third would be 64. Stopped at 98 stars.

Surashu - March 2, 2005 10:48 PM (GMT)
Super Mario Bros. 1, I played that game way too much when I was like 5.

borgster101 - March 3, 2005 01:40 AM (GMT)
Why can you vote for more than one game ? :huh:

Manny M - March 3, 2005 02:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ElPresidente @ Mar 1 2005, 10:11 PM)
I honestly feel the wow factor of Mario 64 gets in the way of a lot of people's enjoyment of Sunshine. You can't expect to make such an impressive leap as the one from 2D to 3D in every game.

Oh I think it does too, and while Sunshine is the better game, in my opinion, it all comes down to what made you soil your pants quicker, at the time you played it. For that, Mario 64 gets my vote, because initially, it was just so damn revolutionairy.

If I went back to play any of them though, my order would probably go, a little something like this;

Super Mario Sunshine
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario 64
The rest...
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Super Mario 2




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