okay, i have a few olds in me so i'll try to keep this brief and to the point :D

now, i'm not the kind of person who has his finger on the pulse in any sense of the word. i'm usually the last to find out about stuff and that's only if i ever find out at all. current affairs are not my 'thing' so to speak. so lately i've found myself asking questions about evo that i've been without answers for. and since i had no other approriate way of asking said questions, i decided to start a thread about it :D

so my first question is: where the hell did greggggggggggggggg go? and for that matter, tj1?

now i realise this may be a question that has a delicate answer but i'm sure there would be a few other clueless members who are vaugely curious... or maybe it's just me.

but anyways, there are many other questions i have but can't quite remember them at present so i'll just start with that one. and, to prevent the thread from becoming entirely irrelevant (which usually happens to my threads within 3 days of posting them :P) i would also like to invite anyone else who has any questions pertaining to the evo community they would like answered to post them here in the hope of gaining such answers.

thankyou and goodnight.

In the words of the Old Greeg-ster himself:

His departure(and reasoning for it) was mentioned in a few threads at the time, but I'd say that not everyone would have seen them.

As for Trin, he moved house late last year, and doesn't yet have internet access at his new home.
He probably could have had it by now if he hadn't bought a new PS2. :P

okay, mysteries solved... next question...

Yep, Trin did move although he has been longer then expected. How come I saw him sign into MSN the other night then? :unsure:

He was at a GF's house, or something.

I had a convo with him ;)

My questio is:
Do we have an IRC server? I'm hankerin' for a chatterin' :P

TJO posted yesterday, as did FusionCloud. Coincidence? I think not. Spontaneous planetary re-alignment? Perhaps.

My question: Why do moderators who hardly ever post here recieve special powers while other frequent users who actually deserve to recieve modship, and are capable of doing and also posting here frequently, get shafted?

Sytadel, for example. What on earth has he done lately, besides make himself scarce? Don't give me any of that 'He watches and observes quietly from the outer and only intercedes when he is needed' rubbish, because mods like Estapol, DC and Manny all make themselves heard and known as well as post here regulary, and always add to the topics. Sytadel does stuff all and adds nothing to the forums whatsoever, and the same thing applies to Mach, until recently Fusion, and Shadow Link.

It just seems like such a waste of time to have mods who recieve special privelages yet don't return the favour by giving back to the forums in any single way.

I know where you're going with this moggo.
I should be a mod! :woot: :cheese:

... <_<

My question still stands with the IRC..

If anyone sees this as a particulary crap & subtle effort to gain modship, think again. It's a general viewpoint and there is no ulterior motive.

This forum doesn't really need mods, anyways, as people are usually well behaved. All you need is an admin to change names, ban the random person etc. I say do away with mods altogether!

If you can't find the time to contribute to a forum or carry out your duties as a mod then you should ditch the role.

It is why I'm no longer admin at Hyper, I couldn't be stuffed any more and it would be unfair to remain admin and do shit all.

Wake up non-active mods.

Sytadel: Last activity 9 days ago.

Shadow Link: 18 days ago.

Mach & TJO: Until yesterday both had not posted in a long time, and TJO hadn't been active for several weeks.

Give me a damn break. There's plenty of worthy and frequent members who deserve this job above several of the current moderators who not only hardly ever add to the forums in any way, they don't even remain active.

Something needs to be done.

yes, the mods should be making entertaining games for the sections they're moderating.
On that note, it's well into the new year and the screenshot comp hasn't started in gamecube central.

Yes, it's all called #hyperactive. :P
In all seriousness #evolution is practically a graveyard.
It's the truth.

Too bad, it was pure co-incidence. :P

I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying. A moderator's job doesn't end at the locking of topics and warning of members; they must play an active role in the progression of the forum through activity and discussion.

One thing you do have to remember though is that when the moderator induction took place here at Evolution, all of the chosen were fairly active members and added to the community on a regular basis. However, it's no secret that some of the moderators are more active than others, yes and this shows even moreso recently. As such, I wouldn't say the members have been "shafted" from the beginning, if at all. Things do change, after all.

If it helps to ease your mind (and this was brought up well before the advent of this topic in the moderator forum), we have been considering a moderator evaluation for some time now and are discussing some procedures for it to possibly go ahead soon.

I guess my personal reasons for my own vast inactivity was a large spout of depression and "gaming anxiety" that have struck me down over the last six or so months (though I now seem to be recovering slowly, so I hope). I still made pitstops every so often to check on things, but my activity cycle was quite simply nowhere near as consistant as it should be. However, there were also very meagre reactions to some of the ideas I did try to implement into the forum lifestyle, which can dent your own drive to provide creativity to a community. My idea for a handheld forum game has recieved absolutely no feedback whatsoever since I suggested it several months ago. That doesn't do a lot for the creative sparks if no-one else seems willing to present some input.

Rest assured, as I'd like to think I'm showing, I'm now working on counter-acting and atoning for it all. If this was to happen again though, I would have no qualms with stepping down and allowing someone more active (not necessarily more capable) to do the job. :thumbsup:

Precisely. When I was quoting the last activity of all the said members, that was simply the last time they logged on... it's not even an indication of when they last posted. Surely the moderator tag comes with an unwritten law that you must impose your presence on something once you're given powers to control it.

When active, mods like Sytadel, TJO, Shadow Link (... and that's being generous. He's done nothing, for months) and Mach are all incredibly effective members who add to the forum in some way... but seeing as though none of those members have posted regulary in months, it doesn't seem very fair that these members recieve special privelages.

Yeah. Don't get me wrong, this is not an attack towards the mods in general, only the ones that have inadvertently abused their privelage in a roundabout way. I think DC, BrotherEstapol, Manny M and DJ-Civic all do a fantastic job, and so I don't want them to see this as an attack on their efforts.

However, they could really justify my admiration by at least taking a closer look at who holds modding powers right now. It is clearly outdated and mods like Sytadel, TJO, Mach and Shadow Link need to either involve themselves alot more in Evolution, or hand in their modding sash.

The excuse that people like 'Mach and TJO' can't relinquish their mod powers because they are among the 'founders' of the site is also void and will not be tolerated. If these members truly do cherish the thought that they are among the founders and therefore should automatically retain them, then you'd think they'd do a hell of alot more to make this forum work. So you're too busy or don't have net access? Then give it to someone who has, and who can benefit the forum!

Cheers mate. It's an attitude like this that all the mods in question need to either have, or if not, to take in and then decide whether they truly deserve the moderator status.

That's the channel, what server is it on? :P

Estapol for prime minister!

Austnet. (Don't ask me why :P )
On the note of activity of mods. They're just as active as this forum. :P

I would like to say Moggo, that while I agree with you on the subject of moderator inactivity, I do have to defend TJO. The only real reason he has been away from the internet is due to moving house. It takes time to do this obviously, but it also takes time to receive a new ADSL connection too. Which is what I believe Trin was also planning on doing. He recently bought a Ps2, so maybe, just maybe the ADSL has gone out the door for now and that's why he hasn't returned. I don't know and maybe I'm wasting my time, but I'd dare say that if he were with internet access and was visiting here regularly, he'd be doing the job he has the role of.

Still, Slink, Mach, and Sytadel don't seem to have decent explanations. Perhaps Mach does, but I really don't think Slink and Syt do... *shrugs :unsure:

Well it could have been on ETG, so ner.

One mod for each forum is overkill basically. Just have the three admins.

does an owner really need a reason to not frequent his own forums? methinks that's a bees nest best left alone regardless of moggo's opinion.

Yes I do believe so. If he is part owner of this forum, then he should also be posting here frequently. If it isn't discussing the many subjects within the forum, then he should at least be checking these forums regularly enough to help out with any issues/problems that might occur. Gregg left, his intention (apparently) was to 'quit' his role once the forum got underway. That's understandable.
However, Civ has been the only regular admin (out of the originals) of late, and honestly, should we be leaving all the problems to just one admin, when there are 4? (Civ, Mach [originals], Estapol, Trin [new admins])

It's just a little unfair is it not? Okay, so Estapol does stuff for the forums and Trin would too if he hadn't moved house, but Mach has been away for a long time, only visiting here every so often. If Mach provided a reason as to why he hasn't been around, then maybe it could be accepted. He hasn't however so we can only assume what his situation is.

God, now it sounds as if I have something against Mach. Well I don't, good moderator at Hyper and good admin here when he is around.

Mach has his reasons...from memory it was to do with his art exhibitions.

I'd like mention that(a fair while back) due to lack of activity, we demodded LiNk and djtinglz, and Kid Wakelin stepped down because he just doesn't have the time to post at forums anymore. (Uni + fulltime job = hardly any net time)
Don't think we don't notice these things, we have had many talks about unactive mods in past, and we are acting on the situation. ;)

BTW, when you guys mention active mods, you seem to be forgetting Natrak. :P

Happy 18th Natty, don't drink too much :dance3: :drunk:

i guess i just see him in the same role as adzy, only posting when he needs/wants to. if i owned the site, i know i wouldn't appreciate people commenting on my posting habits seeing how i would be providing the space to actually do so.

Difference is, that Adzy does add to the forums, even if it is minimal and crap.

Mach does nothing really and it seems most of the work is left to Estapol and DJ.

It's time to act methinks, as there are some outdated mods who neither deserve their special privelage.

I wouldn't call it a special privelage. More like a burden :P

No no no, It's more of a curse.
Moggo is a burden! ;) :P

Ok I'll be good. :dance3:

Mainly because at the time when I was using IRC I was connecting to Austnet and I, along with a few others knew the commands for the servers.

But since school has taken some priority and my activity on all forums has dwindled, the channel must be dead, literally as Austnet won't allow anyone control unless I go and message them, along with a high level op, so I can't be reinstated powers. Another reason for the downfall of the channel is simply because most people go to #hyperactive anyway/

But feel free to make a new IRC channel wherever you like.

This forum is active, though. Just because there isn't 10, 000 posts a day, doesn't mean that it's dead. LONG LIVE, EVOLUTION!

Yeah, and recently the posting activity has spiked considerably for an unknown, yet very welcome reason.

Seeing as though this posting increase has mainly involved Off Topic, and then considering that the moderator of said forum, Sytadel, is doing a crap job and hasn't logged on for near 11 days, then you can see why I believe strongly that there needs to be change.

Oh, and just saying you might consider acting upon it isn't sufficient, and I won't stop reminding people until progress in some way is achieved.

Syt hasn't even logged onto MSN...

I wonder if he's been caught up in tutoring?

Who gives a toss, like Pres said, if you can't commit to the role, then don't take it on. There's plenty of people who could take over his role.

If Syt is too busy due to events in his life, then he shouldn't have the role anyway.

Hah, I was just reading through this thread and feeling left out. :P

(Thanks for the kind wishes ev0, but next time a mere PM will suffice ;) )

I must admit, I haven't been as active as some of the other regulars lately, only posting here and there. And sadly, Xbox General (as well as most of the other gaming forums) seems to be dying in the arse. I plan on starting up the ol' Caption These competition this week though, at least that will allow an opportunity for some fun for everyone.

As for Mach, yeah he's been busy due to Art Exhibitions and such. He does attempt to post every now and then when he can. When he is active Mach is a real asset to this place, however it's definitely a good point that if it goes on it may be best if he stepped away from his Admin role.

It's all because i joined... :pimp:

No worries Natrak, i'll keep that in mind next time though :thumbsup:.

except for the gc forum, it's been quite the hive of activity lately :P huzzah!

Yargh, that's actually the reason I said 'most'. :D

Yes I have been occupied with my Art Exhibitions of late as previously mentioned, I do plan on contributing more in time. Although I have been quite busy over the last few months I still manage to log in every day and post every now and again.

Maybe some of you feel that mods should be active in a forum also. I personally don't agree with this, so long as they're reading they don't need to be able to contribute - these positions arn't a reward scheme for monthly posting performance. Some people, myself included, are much less active once they've become mods than they were as normal members.

If you've got an issue with anything, could you raise some legitimate complaints about threads/posts which need attention to you directly, if there are such things. Obviously if things are being missed then they need attention, and changes may be made.

From what I can see Evolution is running along quite smoothly, it is growing and everything seems on the up and up.

I think the advantage in having a lot of moderators is that there are always enough on. People dont live online, and having more mods than we need allows people to have busy periods in their life, where they rarely check Evolution, while the forum can still run smoothly because another mod will pick up the place. Just because we have a certain amount of mods, it doesnt mean all have to be active all-year round. But on the other hand, if some are never active, and other users are available who would be active and add to the forum, then by all means change the mods.